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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by rainbow » Sat Mar 14, 2026 9:47 pm

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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Mar 15, 2026 8:26 pm

AI this. AI that. The fact that soooo many people are constantly pushing this-or-that AI service, or just calling their thing 'AI' when it's just some predefined search queries to a database, suggests to me that AI is a massive hype-bubble. If it worked like it was claimed to we'd just be using it and getting on with our lives. It's crypto or NFTs all over again.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by aufbahrung » Sun Mar 15, 2026 9:31 pm

It generates it's own hype and being AI it is quite good at it. The show will end, sometime. I guess the leccy bills post Iran will be the noose to break the camels back.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by macdoc » Sun Mar 15, 2026 9:58 pm

It's for cooling ...there are no serious side effects of slightly warmer water going back into the environment ...there are some benefits.
Its not like an industrial chemical process that consumes the water and adds chemicals and pollutants.

The electricity consumption is an issue if it is fossil derived, if not then who cares - the billionaires are buying their own nuclear plants.

Very little oil is used to generate electricity. :roll:

People ARE using it massively and "getting on with their lives" cept the ones having to change career paths.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Tero » Mon Mar 16, 2026 4:00 pm

Most AI books on the shelf are either "look how cool this is" or really negative views of the AI world. I thought...it's too cold to go to even a store...I would look at Amazon and Barnes and Noble ( I get free shipping)

My choice just browsing readers and their comments was:
J F Graley, understanding Artificial Intelligence

I asked Google AI for something that would be better as an introductory book. I have already got rid of two other introductory books. Neither was worth keeping as refefence.

Google AI recommended a Dummies book and two others. The one I picked as something I could read was:
Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI by Ethan Mollick

Will summarize when I get it.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Joe » Mon Mar 16, 2026 5:47 pm

I had an amusing moment with Claude Sonnet. I'm reading Barbara Truelove's Of Monsters and Mainframes Kindle version, which has binary text headings for each part of the novel. After decoding a couple by hand, I tried to get Claude to do it and got flagged by it's safety filters.

How 'bout that. An AI that's scared of binary text. :hehe:
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 16, 2026 6:59 pm

well, is that just binary text, or could it be code?
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Joe » Mon Mar 16, 2026 8:42 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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well, is that just binary text, or could it be code?
Well, it translated to plain old ASCII characters that made sense in context of the book, and not any programming language I'm familiar with. :biggrin:

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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:44 am

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I had an amusing moment with Claude Sonnet. I'm reading Barbara Truelove's Of Monsters and Mainframes Kindle version, which has binary text headings for each part of the novel. After decoding a couple by hand, I tried to get Claude to do it and got flagged by it's safety filters.

How 'bout that. An AI that's scared of binary text. :hehe:
:lol: Lame, but perhaps there's a vulnerability that its creators weren't willing to spend the time to fix so they simply made a blanket rule. When you say 'by hand' I assume you were typing the binary into a translator.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Tero » Tue Mar 17, 2026 12:39 pm

2034: How AI Changed Humanity Forever Paperback – June 29, 2024
by Kunal Gupta (Author)
Was not expensive so gave the 177 page book a try

Dixie:
3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting concept, but not for me!
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This book is an interesting concept...but I find the author's decision (as stated in the beginning) to write it from the view of 10 years in the future, but in a future that has already happened - kind of strange. Because of this decision, the whole book is kind of written in past tense, but the narration seems unaware of that fact? It's also a rather bleak tone - I guess I am hoping for a future with AI that involves us embracing and using AI, and not so much analysis at every moment of what it "means." So good idea of a book, but just not for me, I guess!
Me: 2 stars
The book does what it promised to do. Many aspects of life are predicted. I read about 20 pages and pretty much everything was what I already knew will happen. And I am not in any way involved in this field. We can see it will take a lot of jobs.

It's sort of like listening to a comedian and wanting the stories to have someting amusing to end it or at least a punch line. Not here, everything comes out dull.

Maybe that is a comfort. Instead of the disaster we expect from AI taking over most jobs and perhaps some problems with inventing work for the masses, the result will just be a dull monotony. You are left with the real world: eat sleep, discover the world outside of all this.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Joe » Tue Mar 17, 2026 3:21 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:44 am
Joe wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2026 5:47 pm
I had an amusing moment with Claude Sonnet. I'm reading Barbara Truelove's Of Monsters and Mainframes Kindle version, which has binary text headings for each part of the novel. After decoding a couple by hand, I tried to get Claude to do it and got flagged by it's safety filters.

How 'bout that. An AI that's scared of binary text. :hehe:
:lol: Lame, but perhaps there's a vulnerability that its creators weren't willing to spend the time to fix so they simply made a blanket rule. When you say 'by hand' I assume you were typing the binary into a translator.
No, I didn't think of that right away, so I converted it to hexadecimal and used an ASCII table to translate. Plus, being on the Kindle device, I couldn't copy and paste into a translator, and I was too lazy to get up and get my laptop. :{D
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Joe » Tue Mar 17, 2026 3:50 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
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Good to know. I use the free version of Claude, but haven't asked it for any scripts, so I gave it a try and got iterative and recursive versions back.

I'm guessing there's some limit where it will require a subscription.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Tero » Tue Mar 17, 2026 4:30 pm

That pretty much will keep AI from used by the MAGA folks. Only the elites and federal agencies and big corporations will get the unlimited version.

In my company I was in the first 5 to us Scifinder. They kept the unlimited use for us 5, the rest had a montly limit of use.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Tero » Tue Mar 17, 2026 7:45 pm

The scarier part of AI is that things will be converging on average performers. The system will no longer higher quirky gifted people in their field.

I had some of this experience in the late 70s. We had fewer Asians in chemistry and the native speakers tended to get the jobs. I spoke fairly standard Midwest English, but I still stood out. I did not have much trouble with English except when nervous.But I really hated the human resources people. I sent them the letters and someone with chemistry skills read my resume. But I always had a heck of a time getting past the HR person. I could only make a personal impression with another chemist.

The foreigners of today applying for jobs do not have a challenge for applications: AI writes them.
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