NASA's Kepler Mission

[natselrox]

http://www.ted.com/talks/dimitar_sassel ... anets.html

[FBM]

http://www.ted.com/talks/dimitar_sassel ... anets.html

The last 10 minutes were the most interesting to me. Namely, that life on Earth may be insignificant in terms of space (size), but considerable in terms of time. I read earlier today (can't find the article now) that projects like SETI are beginning to focus their efforts towards the center of our galaxy, as the stars there are older than our Sun and thus more likely to have evolved life.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

http://www.ted.com/talks/dimitar_sassel ... anets.html

The last 10 minutes were the most interesting to me. Namely, that life on Earth may be insignificant in terms of space (size), but considerable in terms of time. I read earlier today (can't find the article now) that projects like SETI are beginning to focus their efforts towards the center of our galaxy, as the stars there are older than our Sun and thus more likely to have evolved life.

Gotta give them a "well, duh!" for that. More stars, closer together, more radiation, more chances of mutant. In millions of stars this is a factor, I think. And the closeness of the stars makes interstellar travel (and the need for interstellar communication) more likely. If it takes "only" six months for a message to get to another star comms are possible. (We had something close to that in the early days of exploration of the Western Hemisphere and Oz.)

[mistermack]

Gotta give them a "well, duh!" for that. More stars, closer together, more radiation, more chances of mutant. In millions of stars this is a factor, I think. And the closeness of the stars makes interstellar travel (and the need for interstellar communication) more likely. If it takes "only" six months for a message to get to another star comms are possible. (We had something close to that in the early days of exploration of the Western Hemisphere and Oz.)

I can't really go along with the radiation bit. A lot of radiation is harmful to life. The first life on earth was probably shielded by many fathoms of water, until the green plants built up the ozone layer. After that, they could colonise the land more easily. And earth is lucky in having it's magnetic field, which deflects some of the more harmful radiation.

Living things don't really need radiation to produce mutated genes. The actual rate of mutation is a very fine balance arrived at by evolution. Too much means too many 'faulty' individuals. Too few means losing out to new improved rivals. In environments where there was more radiation, they would still arrive at the same balanced mutation rate, after millions of years of evolution.

There's a dilemma as to where to point the telescopes. In some ways, it's pointless pointing it too far away, as if you did find an earthlike planet, so what? You could never do any more than observe how it was millions of years ago.
I would be starting on the very nearest stars, and working my way out. That way anything you find would be at least slightly relevant in time and distance.
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[FBM]

Ah-ha! Found it. http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/0 ... gal.aliens

'Benford beacons' mark new approach for finding frugal aliens
Published: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 08:16 in Astronomy & Space

For 50 years, humans have scanned the skies with radio telescopes for distant electronic signals indicating the existence of intelligent alien life. The search – centered at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. – has tapped into our collective fascination with the concept that we may not be alone in the universe. But the effort has so far proved fruitless, and the scientific community driving the SETI project has begun questioning its methodology, which entails listening to specific nearby stars for unusual blips or bleeps. Is there a better approach?

UC Irvine astrophysicist Gregory Benford and his twin, James – a fellow physicist specializing in high-powered microwave technology – believe there is, and their ideas are garnering attention.

In two studies appearing in the June issue of the journal Astrobiology, the Benford brothers, along with James' son Dominic, a NASA scientist, examine the perspective of a civilization sending signals into space – or, as Gregory Benford puts it, "the point of view of the guys paying the bill."

"Our grandfather used to say, 'Talk is cheap, but whiskey costs money,'" the physics professor says. "Whatever the life form, evolution selects for economy of resources. Broadcasting is expensive, and transmitting signals across light-years would require considerable resources."

Assuming that an alien civilization would strive to optimize costs, limit waste and make its signaling technology more efficient, the Benfords propose that these signals would not be continuously blasted out in all directions but rather would be pulsed, narrowly directed and broadband in the 1-to-10-gigahertz range.

"This approach is more like Twitter and less like War and Peace," says James Benford, founder and president of Microwave Sciences Inc. in Lafayette, Calif.

Their concept of short, targeted blips – dubbed "Benford beacons" by the science press – has gotten extensive coverage in such publications as Astronomy Now. Well-known cosmologist Paul Davies, in his 2010 book The Eerie Silence: Renewing Our Search for Alien Intelligence, supports the theory.

This means that SETI – which focuses its receivers on narrow-band input – may be looking for the wrong kind of signals. The Benfords and a growing number of scientists involved in the hunt for extraterrestrial life advocate adjusting SETI receivers to maximize their ability to detect direct, broadband beacon blasts.

But where to look? The Benfords' frugal-alien model points to our own Milky Way galaxy, especially the center, where 90 percent of its stars are clustered.

"The stars there are a billion years older than our sun, which suggests a greater possibility of contact with an advanced civilization than does pointing SETI receivers outward to the newer and less crowded edge of our galaxy," Gregory Benford says.

"Will searching for distant messages work? Is there intelligent life out there? The SETI effort is worth continuing, but our common-sense beacons approach seems more likely to answer those questions."

Source: University of California - Irvine

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Gotta give them a "well, duh!" for that. More stars, closer together, more radiation, more chances of mutant. In millions of stars this is a factor, I think. And the closeness of the stars makes interstellar travel (and the need for interstellar communication) more likely. If it takes "only" six months for a message to get to another star comms are possible. (We had something close to that in the early days of exploration of the Western Hemisphere and Oz.)

I can't really go along with the radiation bit. A lot of radiation is harmful to life.

You talk science one minute, woo the next. Frankly, I don't listen to either minute.