A question about black holes

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Re: A question about black holes

Post by Twiglet » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:20 am

Rum wrote:Given that there is a critical point in terms of mass at which a star, neutron star perhaps (?) collapses and becomes a black hole - i.e. nothing can escape its gravity, are we saying that when that happens they are a standard size and that as more and more matter falls in it grows? I assume what grows in that case is the distance from the 'centre' to the event horizon, i.e. as the mass increases so does the gravity.
For black holes as for any other body, gravitational attraction is given by F=GMm/r^2 where are is the distance separating the centre of mass of each body.

The event horizon of a blackhole is a function of its mass. The bigger the mass, the larger the event horizon, given by the Schwarzchild radius:

r(s)=2GM/c^2

So as you suggested, the more massive a blackhole becomes, the larger it's event horizon becomes. It's a useful excerise to plug in the numbers using the mass of our sun to find it's event horizon... it's surprisingly small. Only about 3km. The gravitational force is so incredibly strong near the event horizon that a human would physically be ripped to pieces because the gravitation force at their feet would be so much stronger than that at their head (if they fell in feet first) that it would break the e-m bonds holding us together molecule by molecule, atom by atom.

The condition to form a black hole is that the implosive gravitational force is sufficient to overcome all the forces which oppose it, so it literally implodes under its own weight. This is fairly complicated to work out, and you can go into some detail by looking up stellar evolution which goes into the various details (mass, rotation, temperature) to get an idea of what conditions lead to what objects (neutron star, white dwarf, brown dwarf etc etc).

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Re: A question about black holes

Post by Rum » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:43 am

I thought an event horizon was the point at which nothing could escape the gravity of the object, not even light. I don't understand your comment to the effect that our sun has one?.... :think:

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Re: A question about black holes

Post by JimC » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:44 am

Rum wrote:I thought an event horizon was the point at which nothing could escape the gravity of the object, not even light. I don't understand your comment to the effect that our sun has one?.... :think:
He meant a black hole that had the mass of our sun...
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Re: A question about black holes

Post by ChildInAZoo » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:32 pm

Yeah, for any amount of mass that you can give, there is a radius such that if you pack all that mass into a sphere of that radius, the whole thing becomes a black hole. It's really tough to do!

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