Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'

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Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'

Post by klr » Wed May 12, 2010 7:19 pm

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A supermassive black hole may have been observed in the process of being hurled from its parent galaxy at high speed.

The finding comes from analysis of data collected by the US Chandra space X-ray observatory.

However, there are alternative explanations for the observation.

The work, by an international team of astronomers, has been published in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

Normally, each galaxy contains a supermassive black hole at its centre.

Given that these objects can have masses equivalent to one billion Suns, it takes a special set of conditions to cause this to happen.
High-speed exit

The authors believe this could be the result of the merger of two smaller black holes.

But there are alternative explanations for the bright X-ray source; it could also be a Type IIn supernova, or an ultra-luminous X-ray source (ULX) with an optical counterpart (which could represent several phenomena).

Simulations using supercomputers suggest that when this happens, the larger black hole that results is shot away at high speed.

However, this depends on the direction and velocity at which the two black holes are rotating before their collision.

Marianne Heida of the University of Utrecht used data in the Chandra Source Catalogue to compare hundreds of thousands of sources of X-rays with the positions of millions of galaxies.

The material that falls into black holes heats up dramatically on its final journey, which often means that black holes are strong X-ray sources.

X-rays are also able to penetrate the dust and gas that obscures the centre of a galaxy, giving astronomers a clear view of the region around the black hole, with the bright source appearing as a star-like point.

Looking at one galaxy in the Catalogue, Ms Heida noticed that the point of light was offset from the centre and yet was so bright that it could be associated with a supermassive black hole.

Ms Heida said: "We have found many more objects in this strange class of X-ray sources. With Chandra we should be able to make the accurate measurements we need to pinpoint them more precisely and identify their nature."
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Post by Rum » Wed May 12, 2010 8:31 pm

Does anyone else get the sense that with some of the more recent ..er..rethinking..about the nature of the universe (e.g. that it is accelerating in its expansion), the dark matter issue and others, that actually we really don't have as much knowledge on which to model what is going on as were have been led to believe over the last couple of decades.

I sometimes wonder if we have built a cosmology on a house of cards!

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Post by RuleBritannia » Wed May 12, 2010 9:02 pm

Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'
Therefore god...
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Post by beige » Wed May 12, 2010 9:04 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'
Therefore god...
It's irrefutable! :o
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Re: Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'

Post by klr » Wed May 12, 2010 9:05 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'
Therefore god...
It's only a matter of time, as usual. :eddy:
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Post by klr » Wed May 12, 2010 9:06 pm

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
211. ARGUMENT FROM WOW
(1) When I look into the sky and see all the pretty stars, all those galaxies...
(2) Wow.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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Post by colubridae » Wed May 12, 2010 9:54 pm

Rum wrote:Does anyone else get the sense that with some of the more recent ..er..rethinking..about the nature of the universe (e.g. that it is accelerating in its expansion), the dark matter issue and others, that actually we really don't have as much knowledge on which to model what is going on as were have been led to believe over the last couple of decades.

I sometimes wonder if we have built a cosmology on a house of cards!
No. Not really.

The work is done by interlocking sciences

Standard candles measure the distances. They appear to be consistent within experimental error at least.
The models for star formation and main sequence lifetime are pretty solid.

It's only recently that 'dark stars' have gone from being disputed conjecture to black holes.

1987A verified an awful lot of work.

It's difficult to explain galactic recession; Hydrogen/Helium ratios; Microwave Background (plus Olbers Paradox) wtihout current cosmological models.

But… they aren't proof.
Are there flaws in the current cosmology, you bet.

And…It could all be that wiley devil, Satan, playing with peoples heads.
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Re: Black hole 'hurled out of galaxy'

Post by ficklefiend » Thu May 13, 2010 12:32 am

I'm thinking there will come a time when we (as in hoomans) find out where we have gone, not wrong maybe, but where we have gone down the wrong road to a bit of a cul-de-sac, and we will look back and go "fuck, why didn't we see that other road?! It's so obvious now, and we spent all that time trying to build bridges and tunnels to get back onto it instead... gah!"

At least I hope we will.
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