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Post by Seth » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:33 am

macdoc wrote:
If you took every human being on Earth and put them in the Grand Canyon, they wouldn't even begin to fill it up. The seven billion-strong lot of us would make a pretty formidable pile, sure, but we'd get nowhere close to an overflow. At least, not according to this 'species portrait' put together by VSauce and recently shared far and wide across the blogland.

The visualization proved so popular because it turns our working conception of the size and scope of humanity on its head—we are a vast and multiplying species; we blanket the entire planet with our cities and settlements. Jesus Diaz notes that "Even if you took all of humanity across all the ages—an estimated 106 billion—the piles—about 15 of these—wouldn't cover the Grand Canyon. Not even a significant fraction."
In other words, the planet is huge, seventy percent of it is uninhabitable, and of the remaining 30 percent that is land area the vast majority of it is uninhabited by humans. Go drive through South Dakota some time. Or Nevada. Or the steppes of Mongolia. When you get back, then tell me the planet is overcrowded.

It's not. Human occupation of any impact at all is severely limited and restricted to relatively small areas planet-wide. A very small number of them relatively speaking. A small enough number that it would be very easy and quite effective to simply sterilize those few dozen major population centers by dusting them with properly targeted biological and chemical weapons and killing off 80 to 90 percent of the human population without really affecting outlying areas at all, much less the entirety of the ecosystem.

I say we start with England, which is infested and polluted beyond redemption and will make a great example of how easy it will be to wipe out Paris, Amsterdam, Moscow, New York, LA, Chicago, Hong Kong, Bejing, Sidney, Christchurch, Bombay, Saigon, Tokyo, etc.

Then you jackasses will quit bitching about global warming. I suspect that's the ONLY way we'll get you to stop bitching.
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Re: Derails from Climate Change News thread.

Post by JimC » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:48 am

Seth wrote:
macdoc wrote:
If you took every human being on Earth and put them in the Grand Canyon, they wouldn't even begin to fill it up. The seven billion-strong lot of us would make a pretty formidable pile, sure, but we'd get nowhere close to an overflow. At least, not according to this 'species portrait' put together by VSauce and recently shared far and wide across the blogland.

The visualization proved so popular because it turns our working conception of the size and scope of humanity on its head—we are a vast and multiplying species; we blanket the entire planet with our cities and settlements. Jesus Diaz notes that "Even if you took all of humanity across all the ages—an estimated 106 billion—the piles—about 15 of these—wouldn't cover the Grand Canyon. Not even a significant fraction."
In other words, the planet is huge, seventy percent of it is uninhabitable, and of the remaining 30 percent that is land area the vast majority of it is uninhabited by humans. Go drive through South Dakota some time. Or Nevada. Or the steppes of Mongolia. When you get back, then tell me the planet is overcrowded.

It's not. Human occupation of any impact at all is severely limited and restricted to relatively small areas planet-wide. A very small number of them relatively speaking. A small enough number that it would be very easy and quite effective to simply sterilize those few dozen major population centers by dusting them with properly targeted biological and chemical weapons and killing off 80 to 90 percent of the human population without really affecting outlying areas at all, much less the entirety of the ecosystem.

I say we start with England, which is infested and polluted beyond redemption and will make a great example of how easy it will be to wipe out Paris, Amsterdam, Moscow, New York, LA, Chicago, Hong Kong, Bejing, Sidney, Christchurch, Bombay, Saigon, Tokyo, etc.

Then you jackasses will quit bitching about global warming. I suspect that's the ONLY way we'll get you to stop bitching.
You could at least spell Sydney correctly... :roll:
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Post by Seth » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:52 am

JimC wrote:
Seth wrote:
macdoc wrote:
If you took every human being on Earth and put them in the Grand Canyon, they wouldn't even begin to fill it up. The seven billion-strong lot of us would make a pretty formidable pile, sure, but we'd get nowhere close to an overflow. At least, not according to this 'species portrait' put together by VSauce and recently shared far and wide across the blogland.

The visualization proved so popular because it turns our working conception of the size and scope of humanity on its head—we are a vast and multiplying species; we blanket the entire planet with our cities and settlements. Jesus Diaz notes that "Even if you took all of humanity across all the ages—an estimated 106 billion—the piles—about 15 of these—wouldn't cover the Grand Canyon. Not even a significant fraction."
In other words, the planet is huge, seventy percent of it is uninhabitable, and of the remaining 30 percent that is land area the vast majority of it is uninhabited by humans. Go drive through South Dakota some time. Or Nevada. Or the steppes of Mongolia. When you get back, then tell me the planet is overcrowded.

It's not. Human occupation of any impact at all is severely limited and restricted to relatively small areas planet-wide. A very small number of them relatively speaking. A small enough number that it would be very easy and quite effective to simply sterilize those few dozen major population centers by dusting them with properly targeted biological and chemical weapons and killing off 80 to 90 percent of the human population without really affecting outlying areas at all, much less the entirety of the ecosystem.

I say we start with England, which is infested and polluted beyond redemption and will make a great example of how easy it will be to wipe out Paris, Amsterdam, Moscow, New York, LA, Chicago, Hong Kong, Bejing, Sidney, Christchurch, Bombay, Saigon, Tokyo, etc.

Then you jackasses will quit bitching about global warming. I suspect that's the ONLY way we'll get you to stop bitching.
You could at least spell Sydney correctly... :roll:
Why bother it won't be around that long.
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Re: Derails from Climate Change News thread.

Post by JimC » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:03 am

Moron...
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Post by macdoc » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:37 pm

in one :tup:
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Re: Derails from Climate Change News thread.

Post by macdoc » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:47 am

Not a great time to be a wannabe coal baron.

When the courts got involved it was the death knell for SO2 .....fast forward 40 years...
WEDNESDAY, JUL 2, 2014 04:42 PM EDT
Federal judge rejects mine proposal, cites coal’s contribution to climate change
This is what happens when you take the true cost of carbon into account

What’s the very best reason not to expand coal mining on public land? Coal is contributing to global warming. And a federal judge just blocked a proposed Colorado mine for that very reason, InsideClimateNews reports. People, it would appear, are finally starting to get it.

In touting the potential economic benefits of the mine but ignoring fossil fuels’ effect on climate change, ruled U.S. District Court Judge R. Brooke Jackson, federal agencies failed to consider the complete cost of the project. He decreed: “It is arbitrary to offer detailed projections of a project’s upside while omitting a feasible projection of the project’s costs.”
more

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/02/federal ... te_change/

hopefully this will be a significant precident.
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Post by Tero » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:46 am

David Rose and Judith Curry debunked
http://www.skepticalscience.com/mislead ... -2012.html

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Post by Tero » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:07 pm

I guess they have to get their dollars from other groups now, such as Obamacare denialists and the NRA
>>Some of the world’s top PR companies have for the first time publicly ruled out working with climate change deniers, marking a fundamental shift in the multi-billion dollar industry that has grown up around the issue of global warming.<<

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... te-deniers

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Re: Derails from Climate Change News thread.

Post by cronus » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:18 pm

Tero wrote:I guess they have to get their dollars from other groups now, such as Obamacare denialists and the NRA
>>Some of the world’s top PR companies have for the first time publicly ruled out working with climate change deniers, marking a fundamental shift in the multi-billion dollar industry that has grown up around the issue of global warming.<<

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... te-deniers
These are PR companies greenwashing themselves, nothing suspicious there? :coffee:
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Post by Tero » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:35 pm

OK, sure.

I'm coining a new phrase: warming of the gaps. It's when denialists seek about 100 reasons for global warming that do not involve man. Or even cows.

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Re: Derails from Climate Change News thread.

Post by cronus » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:38 pm

Tero wrote:OK, sure.

I'm coining a new phrase: warming of the gaps. It's when denialists seek about 100 reasons for global warming that do not involve man. Or even cows.
I'm coining a new financial system called ecclestonomics. Same as before except the corruption is more visible. :coffee:
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