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Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:18 am

Radical new theory suggests Earth's magnetism may be linked to movement of ocean currents

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 10:44 AM on 15th June 2009

New research suggests that Earth’s magnetic field could be produced by ocean currents rather than molten metals swirling around its core as was previously thought.

The controversial new claims, published this week, suggest that the movements of volumes of salt water around the world have been seriously underestimated by scientists as a source of magnetism.

The research could revolutionise geophysics, the study of the Earth’s physical properties and behaviour, in which the idea that magnetism originates in a molten core is a central tenet.
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Radical new idea: Research suggests that Earth's magnetism may be linked to the movement of ocean currents
“Everyone accepted this, but in reality there has never been any proof,” said Gregory Ryskin, associate professor of chemical and biological engineering at Northwestern University in Illinois.

“It is just an idea we have accepted for a long time without questioning it enough.”

His research suggests that Earth’s magnetism is instead linked to ocean movements.

The salt in seawater allows it to conduct electricity, meaning it generates electrical and magnetic fields as it moves.

The findings, published by Britain’s Institute of Physics’s New Journal of Physics, will no doubt cause a fierce scientific debate.

Existing theories explain Earth’s magnetism by suggesting that the centre of the planet comprises a white-hot solid iron ball about 1,500 miles in diameter, surrounded by an outer shell of liquid metal a further 1,400 miles thick.
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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by Geoff » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:32 am

I've heard of that Gregory Ryskin guy, and I seem to remember he's not exactly held in the highest respect. Might see if I can find the actual paper online...
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Post by gooseboy » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:41 am

This has my bullshit detector going into overdrive.... We'll see if this is completely forgotten in a few months.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:42 am

gooseboy wrote:This has my bullshit detector going into overdrive.... We'll see if this is completely forgotten in a few months.
Except that some people will adopt it and love it and pet it and call it "George".
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Post by gooseboy » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:45 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
gooseboy wrote:This has my bullshit detector going into overdrive.... We'll see if this is completely forgotten in a few months.
Except that some people will adopt it and love it and pet it and call it "George".
Well... in that case... if they really love it they may keep it on life support for a few years... but eventually there'll be a court case and unless the right to lifers spend a LOT of money the feeding tubes will be removed.
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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:47 am

gooseboy wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
gooseboy wrote:This has my bullshit detector going into overdrive.... We'll see if this is completely forgotten in a few months.
Except that some people will adopt it and love it and pet it and call it "George".
Well... in that case... if they really love it they may keep it on life support for a few years... but eventually there'll be a court case and unless the right to lifers spend a LOT of money the feeding tubes will be removed.
And then we'll have zombie theory that only lives on the Internet. Image
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Post by gooseboy » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:49 am

Gawdzilla wrote:And then we'll have zombie theory that only lives on the Internet. Image
Or maybe it will come back to life on the third day and start a whole new religion. :Jeebus:
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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by FBM » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:07 am

:roll: So the magnetic fields of the waterless planets?
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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by Geoff » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:10 am

Paper here

OK, he's making what seems to me to be a totally unjustified leap from "Secular variation of the Earth's magnetic field: induced by the ocean flow?" which is the title, to currents causing the whole field.
The results presented suggest that the observed secular variation of the Earth's magnetic field owes its origin to the ocean flow...

...If secular variation is caused by the ocean flow, the entire concept of the dynamo operating in the Earth's core is called into question.
Nope, sorry.
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Post by FBM » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:13 am

Geoff wrote:Paper here

OK, he's making what seems to me to be a totally unjustified leap from "Secular variation of the Earth's magnetic field: induced by the ocean flow?" which is the title, to currents causing the whole field.
The results presented suggest that the observed secular variation of the Earth's magnetic field owes its origin to the ocean flow...

...If secular variation is caused by the ocean flow, the entire concept of the dynamo operating in the Earth's core is called into question.
Nope, sorry.
No shit. That's just beyond weak. "secular variation" =/= causation. :nono:
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Post by gooseboy » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:27 am

FBM wrote:No shit. That's just beyond weak. "secular variation" =/= causation. :nono:
I agree. You see this sort of shit everywhere, but you'd think that it wouldn't get published in scientific journal.
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Post by FBM » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:56 am

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FBM wrote:No shit. That's just beyond weak. "secular variation" =/= causation. :nono:
I agree. You see this sort of shit everywhere, but you'd think that it wouldn't get published in scientific journal.
You'd think, wouldn't you? :dono: The editor must have been drunk at the time.
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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by AshtonBlack » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:05 am

Easily refuted by extrapolation? I am no physicist but an small scale experiment could give "X volume of salt water moving gives Y maginetic field." Then it's a question of scaling it up and seeing if we have enough water to produce a magnetic field powerful enough?

I say bollocks, but experiments!

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Re: Where does Earth's Magnetic Field originate?

Post by Geoff » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:11 am

gooseboy wrote:
FBM wrote:No shit. That's just beyond weak. "secular variation" =/= causation. :nono:
I agree. You see this sort of shit everywhere, but you'd think that it wouldn't get published in scientific journal.
The NJP is a new (online only) journal. I suspect their peer review process might be somewhat less rigorous than one of the more established ones.
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