Hitman: Blood Money Mafia - A Dance With The Devil

[Uselesstwit]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

surely it can't be that easy can it? If it is we can just force a list of people to vote for tomorrow's lynch and we could have it down to two people.

[r.c]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

I don't think that is the case. What if someone on day 1 had been killed by getting just 3 lynch votes and one of voters was agent 47. Would we have just 3 suspects.

[amok]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

No, UT would take DP's role, right? DP voted for Charlou, and Charlou was killed by the Franchise. Subtract the Charlou votes from the Diva votes and that leaves r.c, contra, zigmen and me.

One of us is Agent 47.

But there must be other scum, too, eh? But they can't be gib, oblivion, Linus, or Don't Panic (UT), unless Gonzo just meant a majority type thing, for the vote on Charlou. I guess that's possible.

[oblivion]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

surely it can't be that easy can it? If it is we can just force a list of people to vote for tomorrow's lynch and we could have it down to two people.

you tell me.

[oblivion]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

No, UT would take DP's role, right? DP voted for Charlou, and Charlou was killed by the Franchise. Subtract the Charlou votes from the Diva votes and that leaves r.c, contra, zigmen and me.

One of us is Agent 47.

But there must be other scum, too, eh? But they can't be gib, oblivion, Linus, or Don't Panic (UT), unless Gonzo just meant a majority type thing, for the vote on Charlou. I guess that's possible.

magicziggy took dp's role. I was wrong. ut took mono's place and mono didn't vote.

[gib]

I really think 47 is most likely irre, but that's just a feeling. I'm guessing that town has a view disguise ability just like char had. so since we know that feck was disguised as a waiter and matt has outed as one if there is a view for a waiter that isn't matt we know one of them is lying. The trick it seems is that 47 will constantly be switching between disguises, so we have to catch him in between changes. At least that's my current guess as to what the game mechanic is.

Irre is one who would probably spot Feck giving off Feck-special pheromones.

the feck kill is odd - i'm struggling to keep faith this is vanilla (+) mafia - btw what is the definition again

it did make me think yeh who would want feck out but then like i say >>> game design wifom street

ok let's start by laying out all the things we consider to be data, starting right back at basics. We all agree on something we stop discussing it and move on to next point

i'll start -

1. there is a scum team and there is agent 47 who is aligned with them

[oblivion]

agree. aligned with. not known to.

[amok]

magicziggy took dp's role. I was wrong. ut took mono's place and mono didn't vote.

Oh, sorry. Missed that.

K, I'm going back to my original thought that one of us (seven) who voted for Diva...

05. divagreen [7.5] oblivion, gib, r.c., contra, amok, zigmen, useless twit

... has to be Agent 47. Agent 47 killed Diva.

Plus, now that I think more about it, every game I've played so far, after the lynches the GM says something like, "Town killed whoever," even if one of the voters turns out to be Scum. It's a majority thing, right? So the Charlou votes don't come into it.

[Zigmen]

1) Oblivion was asked to keep quiet. Shady, but plausible. She needs to go to clear Wifom, so i elect her for the Vig kill.

2) The Diva kill was indeed an Agent 47 kill. After sorting out the subs, we should have a clear list. The Vig should steer clear of this list and let it be sorted out by lynch, at least for now. Reasons include the possibility of a Job Claim, which may gain merit after discussion.

Ksen was a Waiter, right? We also have Shizz claiming waiter. IOW, not all waiters are disguised, in all probability, or Shizz would have outed that as well.

xpost x3

[Uselesstwit]

idk, the answer ob, that's why I was asking. It seems more likely that agent 47 is just getting credit for all the town kills no matter what, but if you actually think that gonzo is doing clue mafia it's an easy fix. tomorrow the people that were on the char bw vote for one person on the diva bw that isn't cleared by being on the char bw. They are joined by two people from the uncleared group. if your theory is right agent 47 will either be lynched, by one of the two people that voted for the lynch in which case we'll know because they'd get credit again, or town will get credit for the kill and 47 must be in the two that won't be allowed to vote on that bw. Like i said it's to easy, and as r.c. said, it might have resulted in a day 2 knockout of 47 if the vote count had been slightly different.

[Uselesstwit]

agree. aligned with. not known to.

also agree with this mostly. The only thought I have against it is that from the links about char's character it seems like she might have know who 47 is.

[Linus]

1) Oblivion was asked to keep quiet. Shady, but plausible. She needs to go to clear Wifom, so i elect her for the Vig kill.

What makes you prefer a vig kill on oblivion over her godkilling herself?

Ksen was a Waiter, right? We also have Shizz claiming waiter. IOW, not all waiters are disguised, in all probability, or Shizz would have outed that as well.

If ksen claimed waiter, I missed it (but feck's death notice revealed him as a waiter). What do you mean by your last sentence here?

[amok]

1) Oblivion was asked to keep quiet. Shady, but plausible. She needs to go to clear Wifom, so i elect her for the Vig kill.

2) The Diva kill was indeed an Agent 47 kill. After sorting out the subs, we should have a clear list. The Vig should steer clear of this list and let it be sorted out by lynch, at least for now. Reasons include the possibility of a Job Claim, which may gain merit after discussion.

Ksen was a Waiter, right? We also have Shizz claiming waiter. IOW, not all waiters are disguised, in all probability, or Shizz would have outed that as well.

xpost x3

Feck was a Waiter. Shizz claimed Waiter really early. Ksen didn't claim anything.

Charlou was a VIP and there are still two VIPs. Agent 47 is disguised as a VIP (for now). Not that it helps, because no one else claimed VIP. My brain hurts.

[gib]

And why would Charlou have a "view disguise" role if she was Scum? What the heck? Agent 47 aligned with Scum, because Gonzo said so, but maybe he's not known to Scum. But why?

That's kind of what got me where I am now. The only reason I can see for scum to have a view disguise is if they had to find someone(s) in particular. So either there is a third faction, a secondary win condition we don't know about, or the scum team also needs to get rid of 47 to get the win.

or they need to find him.

makes senese, in the recent tr game where i was scum bart had to find me

[Uselesstwit]

actually amok, id' say 47 was disguised as a waiter after feck's kill, and since he got credit for diva's kill he might now be a guest.

It just occurred to me, i'm now wondering if the delay at the end of the rounds is caused by gonzo needing to contact the person playing 47 whether they want to take on the disguise or not.