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This is an example of how you are not on your Town game. These are not remotely beneficial questions. They aren't even game related.Bilirubin wrote:Even a broken clock is right twice a day Zigman.
Why do you have such a hard time admitting when you are wrong?
Town, protect me tonight, if possible. We can make this work, I think. I did not put in a kill for DP. I am with Town. That doesn't mean I'm convinced Bilirubin is Scum (he could be Town who protected himself), but I pledge here and now not to make a SK kill tonight. Protect me (or not), but I believe this information will help Town win, even if I'm bumped off. Cheers.amok wrote:
I'll send my night action in time, but I'm writing this to you now (knowing there will be no response), because I'd like to voice my thoughts on the game as it stands now. I'd like to use this as a jumping-off point for after-game discussion. If I'm wrong, I'd like to get opinions about where I went wrong.
First, I'm confused about why some people think my play isn't Town. I'm with Town. I decided that during Day 1 and have played accordingly, as far as I can tell. (I'm also assuming it's OK for the SK to chose an alignment, one way or another, rather than just trying to survive; I hope I'm correct about that).
That's why I opted for a No-Kill on Night 1. I didn't have enough confidence in any suspicions yet to risk killing Town. Oh, well.
Second: I've learned a new concept in Mafia play this game. The "hedging" thing. Which ironically was brought up by my chief suspect at this point, Bilirubin. He is Number 1, DP is Number 2 (also for the hedging thing), and Gonzo is Number 3.
Bilirubin's post at 11:52 p.m., re: Matt: "If you do get lynched and turn up a town special, I'm not going to give a shit. Fix your play." Wow. Talk about hedging.
DP's post at 12:22 a.m.: "Shizzle, seems too scummy to be scum, but then again could be a double bluff, or just bad play." Then votes Shizzle. Hedging.
Gonzo's post at 2:29 p.m.: "I do not like the bilirubin wagon at all. I don't see much logic in the votes put to him. We played together at TR and this reminds me of his town game. I haven't seen him as scum, yet, so I don't know his range as a player, but in this game he seems similar to how he played in Game of Thrones." The logic on the votes against Bilirubin is as sound as possible on Day 2 (whether it turns out to be correct or not). Also Diva's point about him knowing who he is on the other site makes me think they're talking on a Scumboard.
In any case, I'm going to put in a kill for either Bilirubin or DP. I know if I'm wrong it's going to look bad for me, because they're the only two I've wanted to lynch so far.
wait what? scum hunting - do you mean amok? or special hunting? Where is amok in your scum pile?Bilirubin wrote:It is scum hunting. I am establishing that not only is his game off his normal town game, Zigman absolutely refuses to engage. Same with ksen. Establishing town v. scum takes some interaction. There has been precious little information coming from either, although more from Zigman than ksen. What rationale has ksen given for a vote? "Town has to stick together" is what I am seeing. Zigman was all over trying to motivate town to vote for me when I was around, but when I'm here, he won't make his certainty concrete as he offered yesterday. Sorry if you don't see that; hopefully the rest of town (assuming you are town) will.amok wrote:/\ /\ /\
Do either of you guys really think this is helping Town find Scum? Honestly?
Yes, Bilirubin, I just realized that I was off by an hour. We only have one hour to plan. Can we please plan?
My list: ksen and Zigman are looking scummy. Zigman might be on his sweet new game style, but his posting here is different than at the TR game, so that doesn't explain everything to me. Athene has been around very little, but what she posted is town. Irre seems solid town, despite the odd question or two. Diva is a bit over the map, but she's expressive to the point it looks like her town game rather than her scum game, which is a lot more controlled. Gonzo has been basically awol, and was really off day one. Higgs is also basically away (for whatever reason), but when she does post, they are pretty scummy, and I would probably put her up there with ksen and zigman for future town attention. R.C is also absically awol, but when he posts it looks townish to me. FF and Aza were lock step voting for the first three days, until I pointed it out. That deserves further attention. Ksen and zigman are now in lock step (see how ksen moved his vote off me after zigman did). Praying is complaining about thread lengths in two different games, but appears town when she can be arsed to post here. Feck looks town.
Think that is everyone. Now its 40 minutes to nightfall, not sure what sort of coordination you think town can do when most are afk, but whatever.
Diva had a strong FOS on gonzo on day 2 itself.After losing a scum player on the first day, I don't think scum would be willing to bus and lose 2 players in two consecutive days.higgs2 wrote:If gonzo flip scum you mean/ You don't think it was a bus?r.c wrote:I would feel it would establish her as more townish. She was the first to cast suspicion on gonzo.higgs2 wrote:say gonzo flips scum, what do you think that says about diva if anything. I thought I remembered a mention of that. If gonzo flips scum what are the implications? Town, what are the implications? I think it would be worth discussing before the day ends in half an hour. love to hear from irr, bili, athene and whoever else.
last man standing wc dude?higgs2 wrote:wait what? scum hunting - do you mean amok? or special hunting? Where is amok in your scum pile?Bilirubin wrote:It is scum hunting. I am establishing that not only is his game off his normal town game, Zigman absolutely refuses to engage. Same with ksen. Establishing town v. scum takes some interaction. There has been precious little information coming from either, although more from Zigman than ksen. What rationale has ksen given for a vote? "Town has to stick together" is what I am seeing. Zigman was all over trying to motivate town to vote for me when I was around, but when I'm here, he won't make his certainty concrete as he offered yesterday. Sorry if you don't see that; hopefully the rest of town (assuming you are town) will.amok wrote:/\ /\ /\
Do either of you guys really think this is helping Town find Scum? Honestly?
Yes, Bilirubin, I just realized that I was off by an hour. We only have one hour to plan. Can we please plan?
My list: ksen and Zigman are looking scummy. Zigman might be on his sweet new game style, but his posting here is different than at the TR game, so that doesn't explain everything to me. Athene has been around very little, but what she posted is town. Irre seems solid town, despite the odd question or two. Diva is a bit over the map, but she's expressive to the point it looks like her town game rather than her scum game, which is a lot more controlled. Gonzo has been basically awol, and was really off day one. Higgs is also basically away (for whatever reason), but when she does post, they are pretty scummy, and I would probably put her up there with ksen and zigman for future town attention. R.C is also absically awol, but when he posts it looks townish to me. FF and Aza were lock step voting for the first three days, until I pointed it out. That deserves further attention. Ksen and zigman are now in lock step (see how ksen moved his vote off me after zigman did). Praying is complaining about thread lengths in two different games, but appears town when she can be arsed to post here. Feck looks town.
Think that is everyone. Now its 40 minutes to nightfall, not sure what sort of coordination you think town can do when most are afk, but whatever.
posted in the wrong post, this was to amok.higgs2 wrote:last man standing wc dude?higgs2 wrote:wait what? scum hunting - do you mean amok? or special hunting? Where is amok in your scum pile?Bilirubin wrote:It is scum hunting. I am establishing that not only is his game off his normal town game, Zigman absolutely refuses to engage. Same with ksen. Establishing town v. scum takes some interaction. There has been precious little information coming from either, although more from Zigman than ksen. What rationale has ksen given for a vote? "Town has to stick together" is what I am seeing. Zigman was all over trying to motivate town to vote for me when I was around, but when I'm here, he won't make his certainty concrete as he offered yesterday. Sorry if you don't see that; hopefully the rest of town (assuming you are town) will.amok wrote:/\ /\ /\
Do either of you guys really think this is helping Town find Scum? Honestly?
Yes, Bilirubin, I just realized that I was off by an hour. We only have one hour to plan. Can we please plan?
My list: ksen and Zigman are looking scummy. Zigman might be on his sweet new game style, but his posting here is different than at the TR game, so that doesn't explain everything to me. Athene has been around very little, but what she posted is town. Irre seems solid town, despite the odd question or two. Diva is a bit over the map, but she's expressive to the point it looks like her town game rather than her scum game, which is a lot more controlled. Gonzo has been basically awol, and was really off day one. Higgs is also basically away (for whatever reason), but when she does post, they are pretty scummy, and I would probably put her up there with ksen and zigman for future town attention. R.C is also absically awol, but when he posts it looks townish to me. FF and Aza were lock step voting for the first three days, until I pointed it out. That deserves further attention. Ksen and zigman are now in lock step (see how ksen moved his vote off me after zigman did). Praying is complaining about thread lengths in two different games, but appears town when she can be arsed to post here. Feck looks town.
Think that is everyone. Now its 40 minutes to nightfall, not sure what sort of coordination you think town can do when most are afk, but whatever.
Check out her play during the last TR game. She was on teammates before most of town.r.c wrote:I would feel it would establish her as more townish. She was the first to cast suspicion on gonzo.higgs2 wrote:say gonzo flips scum, what do you think that says about diva if anything. I thought I remembered a mention of that. If gonzo flips scum what are the implications? Town, what are the implications? I think it would be worth discussing before the day ends in half an hour. love to hear from irr, bili, athene and whoever else.
You didn't kill dp? who did? Have you thought about who would be the best tight kill for town?amok wrote:Just in case I'm offed overnight, I'm going to admit something here. Bilibrubin, I don't give a flying fuck about your secrecy ideas.
I only posted part of my "notes" earlier, because it made sense to me at the time. In fact, this was the letter I posted to Oblivion (I hope this is OK; I know we're not supposed to post emails from the mod, but this was my entire email TO her, so I think it's OK.
Town, protect me tonight, if possible. We can make this work, I think. I did not put in a kill for DP. I am with Town. That doesn't mean I'm convinced Bilirubin is Scum (he could be Town who protected himself), but I pledge here and now not to make a SK kill tonight. Protect me (or not), but I believe this information will help Town win, even if I'm bumped off. Cheers.amok wrote:
I'll send my night action in time, but I'm writing this to you now (knowing there will be no response), because I'd like to voice my thoughts on the game as it stands now. I'd like to use this as a jumping-off point for after-game discussion. If I'm wrong, I'd like to get opinions about where I went wrong.
First, I'm confused about why some people think my play isn't Town. I'm with Town. I decided that during Day 1 and have played accordingly, as far as I can tell. (I'm also assuming it's OK for the SK to chose an alignment, one way or another, rather than just trying to survive; I hope I'm correct about that).
That's why I opted for a No-Kill on Night 1. I didn't have enough confidence in any suspicions yet to risk killing Town. Oh, well.
Second: I've learned a new concept in Mafia play this game. The "hedging" thing. Which ironically was brought up by my chief suspect at this point, Bilirubin. He is Number 1, DP is Number 2 (also for the hedging thing), and Gonzo is Number 3.
Bilirubin's post at 11:52 p.m., re: Matt: "If you do get lynched and turn up a town special, I'm not going to give a shit. Fix your play." Wow. Talk about hedging.
DP's post at 12:22 a.m.: "Shizzle, seems too scummy to be scum, but then again could be a double bluff, or just bad play." Then votes Shizzle. Hedging.
Gonzo's post at 2:29 p.m.: "I do not like the bilirubin wagon at all. I don't see much logic in the votes put to him. We played together at TR and this reminds me of his town game. I haven't seen him as scum, yet, so I don't know his range as a player, but in this game he seems similar to how he played in Game of Thrones." The logic on the votes against Bilirubin is as sound as possible on Day 2 (whether it turns out to be correct or not). Also Diva's point about him knowing who he is on the other site makes me think they're talking on a Scumboard.
In any case, I'm going to put in a kill for either Bilirubin or DP. I know if I'm wrong it's going to look bad for me, because they're the only two I've wanted to lynch so far.
interesting.Bilirubin wrote:Check out her play during the last TR game. She was on teammates before most of town.r.c wrote:I would feel it would establish her as more townish. She was the first to cast suspicion on gonzo.higgs2 wrote:say gonzo flips scum, what do you think that says about diva if anything. I thought I remembered a mention of that. If gonzo flips scum what are the implications? Town, what are the implications? I think it would be worth discussing before the day ends in half an hour. love to hear from irr, bili, athene and whoever else.
What am I doing? The best I can which i admit is not so great. But I'm trying.irretating wrote:Amok thx for aligning with town. If you're the indie then I think Aza is scum. Would you consider killing him tonight? As SK you should be enjoying yourself! And, you're nit with town although your win condition might be compatible and you've decided to throw you lot in with us.
Higgs I don't get all the diva talk right now. Are you setting up for tomorrow's lynch?
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