Kingmaker Game Thread

[oblivion]

I'm glad. I wish everyone has been.

I feel engaged, too. but there is a sense of inevitability as the day drags on. putting out theories and suspicions feels sort of like arguing with the weather.

what a contrast - complete control, responsibility and risk if you are the executioner. jumping up and down, pointing and waving your arms if you aren't.

[Mantisdreamz]

Who has Fossed Irre ? is there a link , have people who fossed Irre turned up dead ?


Are you implying I crack under pressure OB ,I think you just insulted me

I can hope.

I think I'm done. this kind of holds together in my mind. and it makes as much sense to me as Irre or Mantis being scum.

we've all pretty much acknowledged that Ani is town. We can consider that he has tried to put at least a little pressure on each king to kill a particular person and end the game day early. does that level of involvement make sense? consider that many players have seemed semi-engaged at best. this game format feeds into a town sense of inevitability and powerlessness. Nothing is in our hands unless we are chosen to be king, so it's apparently easy to just not show up and play much.

What do you mean you are done?

You're wrong about me. But -- are you saying that the powerlessness of this game would cause a player to be more adamant in their say, like Ani has, even though he was wrong ?

[irretating]

well, for town apathy and powerlessness, the recent doppelganger mafia would take some beating. But yes, it works against town so much, that town players should ask to sub out rather than drag the game down.

[oblivion]

Something about Irre has just pinged...

She's feeding into the established fosses.
I know she's been on Mort before, but just a little confirmation that Feck is capable of doing what he did as scum.
I think ultimately we're all capable of anything if we put our mind to it. But setting ourselves up for needing to defend ourselves on Day 1 doesn't seem like a valid scum strategy.

Feck has deomonstrated good endgame play as scum.
It's a completely different ballgame at the beginning though.

I had to go back and look at this again. I was too busy jumping up and down, pointing, etc. specifically what established foses are you talking about? Is this the basis of your vote change?

[Feck]

Oh Jynx is always adamant ,even when he is wrong and he knows that if he stops then everyone will think he is scum , but why would he have pushed me so hard if he knew I was going to flip town and why would he have reminded OB about the time ..The only way he would have done that is if they are both scum and OB wasn't reading the scum thread and that is even more unlikely if OB was about to bus Denny .

[oblivion]

Who has Fossed Irre ? is there a link , have people who fossed Irre turned up dead ?


Are you implying I crack under pressure OB ,I think you just insulted me

I can hope.

I think I'm done. this kind of holds together in my mind. and it makes as much sense to me as Irre or Mantis being scum.

we've all pretty much acknowledged that Ani is town. We can consider that he has tried to put at least a little pressure on each king to kill a particular person and end the game day early. does that level of involvement make sense? consider that many players have seemed semi-engaged at best. this game format feeds into a town sense of inevitability and powerlessness. Nothing is in our hands unless we are chosen to be king, so it's apparently easy to just not show up and play much.

What do you mean you are done?

You're wrong about me. But -- are you saying that the powerlessness of this game would cause a player to be more adamant in their say, like Ani has, even though he was wrong ?

I meant I'm done harping on feck. I've convinced myself that he should not be considered cleared. and we should think about the fact that the most cleared, if you will, players are still in the game. NONE of the kings have been knocked off. why would scum do that? why kill people like charlou and zigmen who were credible candidates for execution?

I'm wondering if ani's level of engagement is scummy given the overall town level of engagement. Once again - I'm questioning some of the givens we've worked out so far.

[oblivion]

It was easy for me. Town opinion roughly matched my own. All scum have to do as king is latch on to one town player under pressure and look for a back up if that one is looking iffy.

Mantis, I was using my play as an example of how my play could be regarded as a "scum stratgey" instead of what it was, which was town flying by the seat of their pants.

yeah. it would have been easy to kill zigmen or mono on day 2. I do like to go for shock and awe when I am a vig, and I know it played into my being more inclined to kill irre or denny. but, I also knew that I would not get the kind of slack that Feck got after day 1. I wanted my kill to be beneficial to town, even if I did guess wrong about who was scum.

[Mantisdreamz]

Oh Jynx is always adamant ,even when he is wrong and he knows that if he stops then everyone will think he is scum , but why would he have pushed me so hard if he knew I was going to flip town and why would he have reminded OB about the time ..The only way he would have done that is if they are both scum and OB wasn't reading the scum thread and that is even more unlikely if OB was about to bus Denny .

Reminded OB about what time?


Ob, at first I thought you meant you were done with trying to hunt.

[Feck]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

[irretating]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

I think Jynx is town, but let's face it, reminding oblivion to put the execute order in is not pro-town, as such.. no one knew who she'd execute and the odds favoured it being a townie (apologies to your infallibility, ob )

[Feck]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

I think Jynx is town, but let's face it, reminding oblivion to put the execute order in is not pro-town, as such.. no one knew who she'd execute and the odds favoured it being a townie (apologies to your infallibility, ob )

but if she had missed it then she would have been killed, that's a guarantee of losing a good (ish) town player .

[oblivion]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

dude, after I fosed you everyone in this thread is arguing that you are cleared because you would never have picked UT or ended day 1 so early if you were scum. How is that not as cleared as a player is going to get in this game?

why would scum want you in the game and not zigmen as the game progresses? who was going to be harder to justify executing?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

Yeah, I was an hour off, and barely made the 24 hour cut off.

[irretating]

Without a seer nobody is Cleared , Why would scum kill a king ?

Mantis OB was cutting it fine to get the order in to execute and Jynx reminded her .

I think Jynx is town, but let's face it, reminding oblivion to put the execute order in is not pro-town, as such.. no one knew who she'd execute and the odds favoured it being a townie (apologies to your infallibility, ob )

but if she had missed it then she would have been killed, that's a guarantee of losing a good (ish) town player .

oh yep, I forgot about the punishment of not executing.. good point.

[Magicziggy]

Something about Irre has just pinged...

She's feeding into the established fosses.
I know she's been on Mort before, but just a little confirmation that Feck is capable of doing what he did as scum.
I think ultimately we're all capable of anything if we put our mind to it. But setting ourselves up for needing to defend ourselves on Day 1 doesn't seem like a valid scum strategy.

Feck has deomonstrated good endgame play as scum.
It's a completely different ballgame at the beginning though.

I had to go back and look at this again. I was too busy jumping up and down, pointing, etc. specifically what established foses are you talking about? Is this the basis of your vote change?

Well yes, since you ask. I've been on Mort for so long, but I'm going to assume she's just not around and therefore would be unable to put a kill order in. Big leap of faith I know. Irre is a clever player. And so are you. Both of you have fossed just about everything that's moved. But I just think Irre is feeding the flames a little, without really going out on a limb. And I change my vote when I change my mind.

[Magicziggy]

The established Fos on Mort for one and Feck for two.