Boy Band Mafia

[oblivion]

Here's what Twink thinks.

How many times does one have to play here before this let's-all-lynch-the-stranger routine stops being fun for you?

It's no wonder the games here are going down the pan if this is how you treat new players.

Fuck this shit. Really, fuck it.

hey subconsciously you have to think is FP going to get to be scum 3 times in a row !!!!!!!!!!!! Ha HA the same chance any of us have to be scum ..........
Oblivion ,how do you think you can read the Ratz game ? do you think as so many of us are newbies at this that we are easy to read ,or does the strange Ratz game make it a little more difficult ?

FoS feck. You've been around long enough to know the lie of the land.

Ani: no I'm not trying to draw attention to you. You are playing (in an inimitable Ani style) a pro-town game. It's just the flip-flopping can draw attention to yourself.

that's what she thought on day 1. I thought you were probably town yesterday, and it was largely going against my own game instincts and trusting hers because she knows you better.

But your lynch post last night was a classic hedging post. I thought about blowing the whistle after nightfall, but figured there was a pretty good chance scum would leave me in the game as an easy day 3 lynch based on the "why is oblivion alive meme" which I've nurtured since day 1. I was afraid I might have laid it on a little too heavily.

[Animavore]

Without anyone to counter my claim of seer you've nothing to go on. I have the upper-hand here and will do still tomorrow when I reveal guilt or innocence of another person

[oblivion]

Without anyone to counter my claim of seer you've nothing to go on. I have the upper-hand here and will do still tomorrow when I reveal guilt or innocence of another person

Your claim, countered or not, has a cometary trail of scum tells behind it.

[oblivion]

In other words, if you are the seer and DennyB is the last scum, then you really need to clean up your act as a town player.

[Animavore]

Without anyone to counter my claim of seer you've nothing to go on. I have the upper-hand here and will do still tomorrow when I reveal guilt or innocence of another person

Your claim, countered or not, has a cometary trail of scum tells behind it.

Your persistence on pinning something on me, a person of weight who can make a difference, even more so.

[oblivion]

Ani, if you still suspect Twinkie as you said above, why didn't you view her? You voted for her on day 1. Logic said you should have viewed her (as your scum suspect) or me (as the mayor) on night 1.

Why Feck?

[Animavore]

Who says I still suspect Twink?
It's because I believe her that I didn't view her.

[oblivion]

Who says I still suspect Twink?
It's because I believe her that I didn't view her.

On day 2 you voted for her lynch. Why didn't you view her on night 1?

Also your first post today:

The vig must've only had one shot.
Or there's a there's a serial killer who went for Twink.
Or Twink pulled a severe risk and falsely claimed to be the Doc.

OK. We need to pull an end game. We have to hit scum today.

And your 2nd post yesterday:

Interesting


Vote Twinkie (for reasons mentioned yesterday).

[Feral_Punctuation]

This isn't going to make me popular.

7 twinkie - doctor
2 Oblivion - voted Budski
10 MZ - voted Budski
8 Ani - seer
Which means that these are scum:
5 Denny
6 feral p
Wait, WTF?! I'm not scum!

Okay. Time to consider options.
1. There's only one scum left and it's Denny. This wouldn't balance well and would be different to the rest of the games.
Disregarding this option as unlikely.
2. Oblivion mentioned that he didn't trust Ani's seer claim. I'd be interested to know why. We've had a seer in all the games before and there's been no counter-claim. I'm thinking it would be a very high risk scum strategy. Prohibitively so, given Ani wasn't even much of a suspect before.
Disregarding this option as unlikely, until Oblivion explains herself.
3. Someone who voted for Budski did so a) as a strategy, b) as an (almost) accident.
I pick this option (for now). See later in the post for detail.
4. For the rest of you, it's easier to assume it's just me and Denny as scum.

Detail on option 3:
Day 1:
Oblivion voted for Budski first.
Ani voted next, then unvoted.
Twinkie votes for me.
I vote Twinkie.
MZ votes for Ed, Mantis votes for Ed,
Ani votes for Twinkie,
MZ changes his vote to Budski.

OK. Either a) Oblivion is scum, not MZ b) vice versa or c) they both are.
a) Makes sense. Oblivion didn't think Budski would get another vote over Twinkie, he doesn't change his vote so he can claim he always suspected him, but at the last minute MZ swayed the vote. Ob DID have time to post, but if he went back on his vote then when Bud DID get lynched, Ob would be the prime suspect. This way they gain more from it.
b) Makes less sense. It would have had to be arranged and if that's true it would be better to get both scum on the trusted list. Which would point to the below option.
c) It would have to be arranged before hand. Possible but unlikely. But possible.

Either way, Oblivion is implicated.
Ani said he hadn't read Oblivion or MZ. One of them could be don anyway.

So if Oblivion is scum, why is he going for Ani and not an easier target? I mean, one more wrong lynch and a night kill and they've won. Well, Twinkie's protection could stop the nk. But attacking Ani just makes Twinkie's protection more unpredictable, right? Twinkie wouldn't protect me or Denny, scum could just nk the one who isn't lynched. Unless one of us (Denny) is scum. Cast doubt on Ani and Twinkie is much less likely to protect him, leaving him open. Worth it, given Ob's relative impunity. Add to that that it will take attention off of Denny (and Ob hasn't mentioned him in a while) and it seems worth it.

Bear in mind the inconsistencies I've already pointed out in Ob's posting.
We can't wait on Ani's seering. We're depending on our lynch votes and Twinkie's protection. The second one is mostly luck. The first is down to you. I don't know whether I've put forward a convincing argument, or even if it's right.

Vote Denny. He's a more credible lynch candidate that Ob to the rest of you. We need to get this right.

I guess I'll be lynched by nightfall, but by then you'll know I wasn't lying about this.
Good luck, guys. Damn, I'd make a good conspiracy theorist.

[oblivion]

DannyB, this question is for you. What does your Role PM say your win condition is? DON'T Quote the role PM. Just paraphrase your win condition.

You too, Feral P.

[Animavore]

Wow. Do you honestly think anything posted above even approaches casting suspicion on me?

Let's see. Night one I asked to view Twinkie first but changed my mind to Feck over something said. I'm not arsed looking back through it.
Last night, because I believed Twinkie was town I viewed Mantis. This one is interesting because I nearly forgot and only sent the message at 15:50, ten mins from the end, and I got a reply which said, paraphrasing, confirmed, you will get the result at daybreak
I thought that sounded a bit suss. Like Zigmen already knew she was dead meat. I was thinking of changing it to someone else, but I talked myself out of it, telling myself it was probably nothing. I really should just go on my gut in future and not go against myself.

The vig must've only had one shot.
Or there's a there's a serial killer who went for Twink.
Or Twink pulled a severe risk and falsely claimed to be the Doc.

OK. We need to pull an end game. We have to hit scum today.

That was just me thinking out the possibilities. I forgot at the time that the vig was already dead.

And your 2nd post yesterday:

Interesting


Vote Twinkie (for reasons mentioned yesterday).

That was posted before I knew she was Doc so I don't see how it counts to anything.

[Feral_Punctuation]

Oblivion: No win condition, but it turns out that my band rocks!

[Feral_Punctuation]

I do KNOW the win conditions, if that's what you're asking. Why do you want to know?

[oblivion]

Oblivion: No win condition, but it turns out that my band rocks!

How much does your band rock??

[oblivion]

Wow. Do you honestly think anything posted above even approaches casting suspicion on me?

Let's see. Night one I asked to view Twinkie first but changed my mind to Feck over something said. I'm not arsed looking back through it.
Last night, because I believed Twinkie was town I viewed Mantis. This one is interesting because I nearly forgot and only sent the message at 15:50, ten mins from the end, and I got a reply which said, paraphrasing, confirmed, you will get the result at daybreak
I thought that sounded a bit suss. Like Zigmen already knew she was dead meat. I was thinking of changing it to someone else, but I talked myself out of it, telling myself it was probably nothing. I really should just go on my gut in future and not go against myself.

The vig must've only had one shot.
Or there's a there's a serial killer who went for Twink.
Or Twink pulled a severe risk and falsely claimed to be the Doc.

OK. We need to pull an end game. We have to hit scum today.

That was just me thinking out the possibilities. I forgot at the time that the vig was already dead.

And your 2nd post yesterday:

Interesting


Vote Twinkie (for reasons mentioned yesterday).

That was posted before I knew she was Doc so I don't see how it counts to anything.

What it shows is this: Twinkie was your top suspect after Budski on day 1. Twinkie was your top suspect at the start of day 2. And you're still trying to think of ways Twinkie could be scum on day 3.

Given that, why Feck? Why not either Twinkie or me? I've been seer before, and in every game I play, I ask myself on day 1 who I would view if I were seer, who I would protect if I were doc, who I would kill if I were vig, and who I would kill if I were scum. Then I look at day 2 and see if I can figure out whose logic is involved in the kills. I'm not getting your logic.

And I don't understand why you would forget or not read such an important post as the night's results, given that you are the seer and that info could be critical to your view decision.