Flavourless mafia Archive

[Azathoth]

I just want to make sure everyone sees this

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 00#p635300

[irretating]

OK higgs, we need to talk.

I am NOT the doc. I bluffed to WIFOM the scum when zigmen 'outed' as seer, just in case the real doc (if there was one) was not going to protect him. I should have died two nights ago, of course, if scum believed I was the doc protecting zigmen. I bluffed further yesterday but still was not killed. Nor was zigmen. Something stinks to high heaven about this situation.

Charlou voted zigmen and was killed. Scum are keeping me alive because I'm playing so crappily that I'm not causing them any trouble.

If I understand things correctly, any lynch vote is final, so I want to discuss with people before I vote.

I think charlou must have been right... zigmen could be scum... the issue that I have with that, is that how did scum know that there was no real seer? I'm figuring town does not have a doctor, otherwise someone would have been voting for me, based on me pretending to be one. How does scum know that town does not have the standard roles?!

My thoughts are to follow charlou's lead.... .zigmen being scum, blip being scum.

WE NEED DISCUSSION, PEOPLE!!

[higgs2]

interesting.

[irretating]

interesting.

As long as that's an "interesting" that won't have you lynching me, I'm all for it. No one trusts anyone in mafia, and me still being alive two days after insinuating I was the doc (and my 'protected seer' also beign alive) looks bad. I was expecting to be NK'd, flipping as vanilla town and helping the seer get another view.

This might be the worst game I've ever played. Even so, I want to help town win. I think the lack of inputs from a lot of people have practically handed this game to scum.

[higgs2]

I have given several theories. I have been looking for scum this whole game. THere aren't that many players left, and we do need to get it right. I think other people need to talk.

[Zigmen]

Irre. We had a roleblocker. We don't know who they blocked. I haven't been blocked.
I think scum is counting on the paranoia of me still being alive to get me lynched. If the odds were better, I'd offer to let you kill me to validate my views. But we don't have that option at this point. We have to get a Scum today. I'm the seer. Let scum waste their kill on me.

[higgs2]

we need to hear from mono, manekei and blip. is that it?

[themaneki]

Higgs, I'm posting from a cell phone, so please forgive the terseness. I thought it was odd yesterday how you had been gunning for blip and then he viewedtown.

[irretating]

Hi Bart, I see you lurking.... what have you to say for yourself?

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Two things: one, all of our vigilantes are morons. They should have said, "plz dont kill me, im vig." And none of them should have melted down or offered up the excuse, "I'm only quiet because I don't want people to be able to tell if I am scum."

two, wtf is up with all the vigilantes? why aren't there a dozen kills a night with this many vigilantes?

[irretating]

good points

[higgs2]

I don't understand about the vig's either. Not outing is weird. I can see it happening because of timing, but *every time*?

I think these must be back up vig's that are activated when one gets killed. The haven't gotten any kills because they keep getting lynched. Bart, you have played games with specials that have backups, this can't be that mystifying to you. What was your "wtf" all about? I'm thinking you are playing dumb. er.

Alright, how many vig's have we had, how many days did each of them get, which ones were lynched, which ones night killed? Who was blocked, what nights were there no reported blocks? Any blocks after the role blocker was killed? I know we have some people who love to do research, this stuff might help just a little bit more than just number of posts. :rollseyes:

Do we really believe zigmen and irre and 4 vig's? Is anyone else an activated vig? I think they should out now.

[higgs2]

So this game ends at the normal time, not 24 hours after the early start, right?

[Zigmen]

good points

Good points? Isn't it fairly obvious that every time a Vig gets killed a new one pops up? SR was killed by lynch on day1 and had no opportunity to kill. I think Denny succeded him but was NKed by scum. He managed to kill Feck (Scum) that night.

Day 2 Mort (Town) was lynched.

Night 2 was where Gib got killed and we succesfully lynched Totals (Scum) on day 3.

Here's where it gets soupy. We know that Ani was a Vig who was lynched on Day 4. If Ani was Denny's replacement, that meant Ani had a chance to kill on Night 3. But there was only one death . . . DP the Town Roleblocker.

If DP blocked Scum, but Ani killed DP, that would explain the single kill on Night 3. So who would DP have blocked? He's dead, so we do not know. We do know, though, that the pattern of killing favors the idea of Vigs passing their powers on when they die, not that there was ever more than one at any given time.

Day 4 we lynched Ani, who probably passed his Vig power to another player.

But what about night 4? Have the Vigs ceased to pass their powers along? Was Charlou the Vig kill and scum were blocked again? Is there a Doc who protected one of the targets?

Every time I try to figure out the mechanics of the game, I'm always a little bit (or a lot) wrong.

But I can guarantee there has never been 4 active Vigs at any one time.

Which makes Bart's "points" summarily ridiculous.

Which makes it interesting that you find them to be "good points."

I get subbed out in a matter of hours. I want to go on the record as saying that Bart is playing like Scum, and you guys need to watch for this kind of wifom and cloudy reasoning.

Stick to the facts. Town only ever had one Vig at a time. Town had a roleblocker. Town may or may not have a Doctor (probably not, though). Town has a Seer who has been somehow left alive to raise suspicion.

Scum probably has 2 players left, at least one of which is a Don. With the repeating Vig schtick, I wouldn't be surprised if they had 2 Dons, making my future views (and past views) worthless.

I'm sorry to go on so long, but I'm outa here in the morning and I didn't want anyone left guessing what I thought.

Town can win this. I wish you all good luck!

Also, GG Ghat! And thanks for hosting!

I'm signing off~


ETA, this is a crosspost of the post before it, which I do not have time to read. I see it blocking my submission, though.

Clicking again now.

[higgs2]

Also, what's up with night 1, feck and denny b both dead from a single gunshot wound. The only double kill. and from one shot. Someone figure that out too.

ANd I see you zigmen, I see you looking at this almost every time I'm on.