Starfleet Game thread

[irretating]

Didn't it cross anyone's mind to ask why an indie with a survivor win condition was siding with town when scum was only one day away from winning?

I not only questioned it, I stated he'd thrown his lot in with scum. The whole game pivoted around a don viewing as an indie IMO.

[oblivion]

zigmen I think the balance was pretty good, though I'm not sure about a don who views as indie.

I've tried to compare bili's game with my past games as a genuine town compatible indie, and I dunno. It basically comes down to not delivering the goods for town, I guess, which as don you can't expect. the attitude and behavior wasn't too far off, though. I think. I've never seen my town-compatible indie game from the outside. I just know what it feels like on the inside.

[divagreen]

as far as scum tells, go. they do exist, and in mafia environments where dropping such tells get players lynched, then town players stop dropping them. scum usually can't help themselves because they are under more pressure than town and they know stuff they can't let on knowing.

Well the universal scum tells interpreted by Ratz Mafia did not work in this case, did it.

You have to consider the game with the hindsight that bili was scum. Everything he said was to serve the scum interest.

Even on the writeboard?

[irretating]

as far as scum tells, go. they do exist, and in mafia environments where dropping such tells get players lynched, then town players stop dropping them. scum usually can't help themselves because they are under more pressure than town and they know stuff they can't let on knowing.

Well the universal scum tells interpreted by Ratz Mafia did not work in this case, did it.

You have to consider the game with the hindsight that bili was scum. Everything he said was to serve the scum interest.

Even on the writeboard?

tl;dr

What'd I miss?

[Bilirubin]

as far as scum tells, go. they do exist, and in mafia environments where dropping such tells get players lynched, then town players stop dropping them. scum usually can't help themselves because they are under more pressure than town and they know stuff they can't let on knowing.

Well the universal scum tells interpreted by Ratz Mafia did not work in this case, did it.

You have to consider the game with the hindsight that bili was scum. Everything he said was to serve the scum interest.

That doesn't actually work for a long term scum strategy. Just about everything I did was well reasoned from a town perspective. I just ignored a few things here, pushed a little more than I would have there, and otherwise just let town do my job for me. I made more than my fair share of mistakes, and would not have done a few of the things I did in order to get viewed if I had been a standard scum. But once viewed I knew it would be pretty hard to make a lynch vote on me stick, especially at that stage of the game. It was a pretty powerful role.

irre, I know you are smarting from the lashing I gave you the other day, but that was not entirely to push you off your game (although it obviously was effective in that as well). I was absolutely serious in my assessment of your town game as played here not being pro town. You made a big deal about my votes, yet your record, as vanilla town, was no better--in fact it was worse, you wanting to vote on a town special! And the other thing to keep in mind is that there is a very big difference between being "sure" a player is scum, and being able to move town's vote onto them.

[Bilirubin]

That was at least my attitude towards the game. I have no idea how ksen approached his game from a game mechanics perspective.

[Bilirubin]

was interesting to read that you guys were watching who I thought was scum. I've suspected scum have been doing this for a while, actually. I haven't figured out how to adjust for it. If I dont' go after scummy-looking players, I'm kinda useless as a scumhunter.

Also note that we were pushed to our night one kill by irre's comment about Az seeming more quiet. Delivered us a mason!

[oblivion]

was interesting to read that you guys were watching who I thought was scum. I've suspected scum have been doing this for a while, actually. I haven't figured out how to adjust for it. If I dont' go after scummy-looking players, I'm kinda useless as a scumhunter.

Also note that we were pushed to our night one kill by irre's comment about Az seeming more quiet. Delivered us a mason!

it's small comfort that it was irre who pushed you instead of me pushing you. I knew I was overplaying the "I am sure he's town" bit, but I expected to be dead before him, and wanted something out there for him to point back at.

Aza wanted for us both to out on day 2 and take some pressure off the power specials. And from that perspective, we did use our roles well. We kept scum occupied with us instead of the power specials until night 4.

[irretating]

Bili I didn't smart from anything you said (notwithstanding that I am as one with feck regarding certain words and attitudes). My own self-assessment is lucid and brutal, always is.

I will always apply a meta to players that fails to capture a player playing at being a slimy scum. That definition of slimy is something that is unique to my mind and I won't be elaborating on it.

[divagreen]

Before you plant yourself on a pedestal Bili (and not that it isn't deserved, given your debutant coup)...I combed through your posts, but I could not find it...I am hoping that you remember what I am talking about.

Who queries people where their timezone is, but not answer the question themselves? Mantis responded, if I remember correctly and gave a list of our timezones. But who does that?

Scum. That, IMO, was a scum tell. Not a town oversight. Anybody who was town who works a spreadsheet, would have been more forthcoming.

You are being too hard on Irre, IMO.

[Bilirubin]

Didn't it cross anyone's mind to ask why an indie with a survivor win condition was siding with town when scum was only one day away from winning?

Someone did early on and I said the odds were that scum would leave me alone because they needed to kill town or something. Not exactly my strongest defense of what was a mistake of mine, but I thought I had to toss in for town at that point to relieve the pressure. Most dropped it, which was all I needed.

[Bilirubin]

Before you plant yourself on a pedestal Bili (and not that it isn't deserved, given your debutant coup)...I combed through your posts, but I could not find it...I am hoping that you remember what I am talking about.

Who queries people where their timezone is, but not answer the question themselves? Mantis responded, if I remember correctly and gave a list of our timezones. But who does that?

Scum. That, IMO, was a scum tell. Not a town oversight. Anybody who was town who works a spreadsheet, would have been more forthcoming.

You are being too hard on Irre, IMO.

WTF? How about someone who hasn't played with you lot before and honestly doesn't' know? And I didn't 't give mine because 1) I already new it, and 2) nobody asked.

[Bilirubin]

was interesting to read that you guys were watching who I thought was scum. I've suspected scum have been doing this for a while, actually. I haven't figured out how to adjust for it. If I dont' go after scummy-looking players, I'm kinda useless as a scumhunter.

Also note that we were pushed to our night one kill by irre's comment about Az seeming more quiet. Delivered us a mason!

it's small comfort that it was irre who pushed you instead of me pushing you. I knew I was overplaying the "I am sure he's town" bit, but I expected to be dead before him, and wanted something out there for him to point back at.

Aza wanted for us both to out on day 2 and take some pressure off the power specials. And from that perspective, we did use our roles well. We kept scum occupied with us instead of the power specials until night 4.

TBF though, we kept on you because of meta. I've kept you alive to late game a few times as scum before. That would have been too much of a red flag. Also, I was kinda hoping Spock might have a supplemental power like Yoda and the Emperor in the Star Wars game--or at least a limited one, given the posting restriction you were under, and ksen's blocking restriction.

[Bilirubin]

Bili I didn't smart from anything you said (notwithstanding that I am as one with feck regarding certain words and attitudes). My own self-assessment is lucid and brutal, always is.

I will always apply a meta to players that fails to capture a player playing at being a slimy scum. That definition of slimy is something that is unique to my mind and I won't be elaborating on it.

I honestly don't care a bit about what "slimy" means or whatever. As for meta, it may be a long while before I play here again, if ever. But something you need to realize is that lynching town for the right reasons is not a scum tell. If the reasoning makes sense, then the town player who made the errors being pointed at as justification for the lynch needs to learn how to play without giving off those signals. It really is the fault of that player's gameplay. Also, again, your votes were on town too so your rules for your "meta", such as they are, are inconsistent.

[Bilirubin]

Before you plant yourself on a pedestal Bili (and not that it isn't deserved, given your debutant coup)...I combed through your posts, but I could not find it...I am hoping that you remember what I am talking about.

Who queries people where their timezone is, but not answer the question themselves? Mantis responded, if I remember correctly and gave a list of our timezones. But who does that?

Scum. That, IMO, was a scum tell. Not a town oversight. Anybody who was town who works a spreadsheet, would have been more forthcoming.

You are being too hard on Irre, IMO.

I'm not being too hard on irre. She invites it in her custom title! She could be a better player, if pushed in the right direction. Ignoring criticism that you don't like won't get you there however.

Want a better scum tell on me from this game? The vanilla town comment was downright amateur. Here is another: when I said "but I am assuming the bus driver action" (or however I phrased it). That suggested I didn't really think there had been one, even though I had already accepted it had occurred by my earlier actions.