Starfleet Game thread

[oblivion]

rereading day 1 UT looks town for this reason: - when the pressure is on denny, denny tries to shift the attention to UT.

seeing as denny was vanilla scum i can see no reason why he would do that if UT was his scumbuddy, ie why not just go down, why shift attention to a scumbuddy, there was a very real chance the votes could have gone to UT at that fairly early stage. Much more likely UT is town and just looked like the softest target at that stage.

start here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 46#p877346

to propose a countervailing possibility, I remember Feck, in describing his scum game, saying that scum should put early votes on each other occasionally, but not leave them there, because of a town bias toward not expecting scum to vote for each other. I've never been on a scum team with feck, but I have a feeling that he has influenced the scum games of many ratz players who have.

[oblivion]

regarding bili:

remember this:

So far I've penciled gib and Adenosine as vanilla town.

That's pretty specific.

unneccessarily so tbh

indeed. I weigh the possibility of a scummy slip-up against the possibility his game has become somewhat rusty with disuse. considering wait and watch policy while bilirubin reacclimatizes.

how's that wait n watch policy working out for u oblivion?

inscrutabilities. if that was a slip-up, it's the only one. his game looks like bilirubin-style townish to both my head and my gut, and he'd be very high on my townish list if it were not for remaining paranoia.

[gib]

out of that, i'm seeing the irre self-block over anything else. That might be last night's watering can talking tho

UT, i just don't know - as i said, all the posts are pretty short, i'm sure i remember town UT making fairly lengthy and detailed cases in previous games
there could be something to the suspicions about bili too, but it's a stretch

affirmationisms. this is my recollection, too.

Excellent, we have something concrete to go on then.

During the last few hours yesterday, I discounted him as possible scum and I don't remember why. maybe following someone's lead. maybe losing the plot.

see if you can remember why please

[grit]

Some other random thoughts from reading back through Day 1 thus far:

Since I fosed Aden above, in his favour he was pretty adamant on taking votes off me and putting them back on Denny, if I was going to be godkilled. But his glib comment to gib about UT's Day 1 absence pings a wee bit, about "has anyone seen UT?", "Yeah, he's so high.... ".

I don't think it likely that both Aden and bili are scum, because of their Day 1 spat. I guess it could have been planned but I'm thinking, "nah". I still don't get why bili goes repeatedly on and on about ob's posting restriction, though to be honest I was also one of those WIFOMing whether zig would make it town or scum.

Feck's bili comment out the gate Day 1 on what bili smells like seems suspiciously teamish perhaps, though maybe it was just a way of welcoming a new player.

Feck also seemed eager to find some justification for gib's vote on ob at the start, sort of like, "oh, goodie!, I can divide gib and ob and be rid of one of them". His objection just seemed rather dramatic to me. But then, I took gib's vote as regular scum-hunting or vetting of players, pretty common with gib.

Feck seemed awfully defensive when talking about his Day 1 mayor voting.

I don't think that both Feck and irre are scum, because of Feck's vote on irre Day 1, putting her into one of the leading BWs. But then, their were plenty of BWs at the time, so the opposite could be true, that it was for building town cred.

[gib]

regarding bili:

remember this:

That's pretty specific.

unneccessarily so tbh

indeed. I weigh the possibility of a scummy slip-up against the possibility his game has become somewhat rusty with disuse. considering wait and watch policy while bilirubin reacclimatizes.

how's that wait n watch policy working out for u oblivion?

inscrutabilities. if that was a slip-up, it's the only one. his game looks like bilirubin-style townish to both my head and my gut, and he'd be very high on my townish list if it were not for remaining paranoia.

i'd keep him high up there on yr town list. I re-read day 1 trying to find an angle on him but he was relentless on Denny. It's just about possible that he was pissed at his scumbuddy denny and took control of the situation with a bus but as i said, that's quite a stretch.

[gib]

i'd still like to hear from bili as to why he specified vanilla though.

[gib]

right now i think UT is our best bet

[Adenosine]

Just to clear that day one UT comment for you grit, it was my last post of the evening and I was tired. I get a little bit silly when I'm tired. I thought it was hilarious...until the next morning.

Anyway, do you still think that Irre is scum?

[Adenosine]

right now i think UT is our best bet

What about Feck?

[gib]

right now i think UT is our best bet

What about Feck?

well i just checke back a few games and UT seems to make shortish posts whether town or scum, so back to the drawing board there.

Feck yeh whatever, i feel like i've wasted the morning rereading everything, by all means lynch feck tomorrow

[gib]

grit, i've seen you make a few comments at a few places in the mafiasphere about how mafia should be run and about how mafia should be played. If you are really quitting i have to question why you even give a shit

[oblivion]

nsystematical uncertainties from review:

ob,
There's been a ship load of deconstruction today. I can't tell if it's been helpful or harmful to town.
Do you lean toward favourability of the name and night action claims of both ksen and Mantis?
I'm inclined to fall back on earlier suspicions. I've read and re-read the days so much it's dizzying.
What do you think benefits town the most if we lynch someone who may or may not be a more obvious choice than another?
I mean, what lynch will reveal the most for town's benefit?

the bolded pinged for mantis:

grit, I believe ksen's claim. It's just the popular option of why there was no night kill, kind of annoys me, since I know this is not the case.

If Ob was protected -- then fine. But, if the doc protected someone else, and there was no nk, than they will know that the person who they protected (if not Ob) is cleared, since they were targeted

hope that makes sense

it's just that this line of yours:
"Do you lean toward favourability of the name and night action claims of both ksen and Mantis? "

makes it seem like you are shedding suspicion on ksen and his claims for no reason

this tendency to ask people, to prompt them to reexamine the few certainties we apparently have. I dunno. I can see it as townish and scummy both. It could be wifoming himself into a house of mirrors. it could be attempting to lead others down the wifom trails.

[oblivion]

interesting juxtapositionings

I don't know to be honest. It's either you or Mantis at this point I think. Although I'm still voting for Feck and ksen is voting for me for some reason.

and the next post he made...

I have to go pick up my son and have dinner. be back before nightfall.

I've changed my mind and don't like a feck or ut lynch.

vote ade

does this mean you're feeling that irre is townish?

I'm feeling she is more townish than Ade. I am relying a lot on the meta conversation you and gib had about her plus my own gut.

False dichotomy ksen. It isn't down to me or Irre, there are other players too.

Why don't you like a Feck or UT lynch?

[oblivion]

unponderabilities

I've gone back through the latter part of yesterday's thread and I can't figure out why UT slid off the top of my scumpile. maybe it was lack of sleep.

[grit]

Just to clear that day one UT comment for you grit, it was my last post of the evening and I was tired. I get a little bit silly when I'm tired. I thought it was hilarious...until the next morning.

Anyway, do you still think that Irre is scum?

I don't know, but I don't think it should me who makes a case about her one way or another - I don't think that's in town's best interests. If someone else still has suspicions, let them make their case.

In reading through Day 2, Feck and UT's posts seem kinda bland and without much substance. UT whiteknights you pretty strongly, but that's about it. So after reviewing Day 1 & 2 Feck and UT both get a bump ahead of you on my list. You seemed very townish to me on Day 2, especially regarding irre.