The Innsmouth Look game thread.

[ksen]

And there was also only 1 NK last night but that could have a couple of explanations too:

1) No investigators left
2) An investigator left that targeted Mantis' protect
3) An investigator left but did not put in a NK

gah, I'm starting to wifom myself to death!

[Mantisdreamz]

What do you think ksen? do you believe b.ternarius?

I believe she's an indie. I'm having a hard time reconciling a town compatible indie having a recruiting type power.

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

[ksen]

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Don't we only have her word for that?

[Mantisdreamz]

yep, it's readable B

I'm really having a hard time believing that you're not telling the truth actually.

i'm left with the sense that UT could have possibly been throwing up all sorts of 'cloud and smoke' at us yesterday, when in the meantime we had DP, with much certainty. So the bringing up of all sorts of other options, am wondering now if it was done for wifom purposes. Yes, he had many good points, but...


UT - what is character's name, again? I'm sure you've stated it so i can always go back and check. But - could it be that he turned traitor after Ob had died?

Athene - you would know if this is plausible.. if he turned traitor, can a traitor still linger around after all scum are gone? or maybe he did just turn into an investigator.

We know Charlou visited him, but that was for the purpose of ensuring that Ob did indeed die and there was no chance that he could protect her. So - he wouldn't have flipped until after anyway.. so the fact that she visited him is kind of moot since it would have happened before he potentially flipped

According to mafia wiki, a traitor usually loses if all scum are removed from the game, so from that I don't think it is especially plausible.

I don't believe UT is a traitor, I think he's town.

hmm.. and you really do think ksen is the last scum.

It's just the whole flavour of UT's role that has me thinking.

[b.ternarius]

What do you think ksen? do you believe b.ternarius?

I believe she's an indie. I'm having a hard time reconciling a town compatible indie having a recruiting type power.

It seems more a Lovers role. The word 'recruit' is not mentioned.

Also, re. balance:

Azathoth may have thought the Princess/Protector roles would not be as destructive to town as Oblivion and others thought it would be. After all, town also got a two night run of night moves, including two views, two trackings, two protections. Scum really only got two kills if both victims were unprotected.

[b.ternarius]

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Don't we only have her word for that?

I'd have killed UT long ago if I hadn't chosen to be town friendly. I thought about doing just that before Oblivion was killed, just to see how losing her Protector would affect the Princess role. I refrained, but i have some small regrets.

[Mantisdreamz]

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Don't we only have her word for that?

well ya

but - the thing is the wording of our town PM's. The fact that it did not say win when all threats have been eliminated - means that her win condition isn't to be the last man standing (along with Athene or whoever she recruited). So we've got to believe that her condition actually is, stay alive till the end.

Whether she chooses to align with scum or town at the end -- well, doesn't really matter. But, it seems like she's been working pretty well in town's favour right now

Also, she's got Athene our seer, linked to her as well. So there's that downfall to lynching her

[Athene]

yep, it's readable B

I'm really having a hard time believing that you're not telling the truth actually.

i'm left with the sense that UT could have possibly been throwing up all sorts of 'cloud and smoke' at us yesterday, when in the meantime we had DP, with much certainty. So the bringing up of all sorts of other options, am wondering now if it was done for wifom purposes. Yes, he had many good points, but...


UT - what is character's name, again? I'm sure you've stated it so i can always go back and check. But - could it be that he turned traitor after Ob had died?

Athene - you would know if this is plausible.. if he turned traitor, can a traitor still linger around after all scum are gone? or maybe he did just turn into an investigator.

We know Charlou visited him, but that was for the purpose of ensuring that Ob did indeed die and there was no chance that he could protect her. So - he wouldn't have flipped until after anyway.. so the fact that she visited him is kind of moot since it would have happened before he potentially flipped

According to mafia wiki, a traitor usually loses if all scum are removed from the game, so from that I don't think it is especially plausible.

I don't believe UT is a traitor, I think he's town.

hmm.. and you really do think ksen is the last scum.

It's just the whole flavour of UT's role that has me thinking.

Assuming aza hasn't made a huge mistake and given us the wrong win condition, then we still have one more investigator out there. By the process of elimination it would be ksen. If he were scum he would know that charlou visited UT, and that DP had visited me. It isn't the best case in the world but I'm of the view that aza isn't a dick and he would give us the victory even if he'd made a mistake with our role PMs.

[Mantisdreamz]

##unvote b.ternarius##

[Uselesstwit]

What do you think ksen? do you believe b.ternarius?

I believe she's an indie. I'm having a hard time reconciling a town compatible indie having a recruiting type power.

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Right, she choose to be town compatable by grabbing our seer and then look at the kills since char. I.c.(most had as townish) and R.c. (when we all but begged her not to make a nk)
also this post she openly admits she's going to do what's best for her, not town.

why'd you kill anyone b.tern? several of us said it was a horrible idea.

Because I did not agree that it was a good idea. I chose to align with town; that doesn't mean I'm not concerned with the best possible outcome for myself. The best possible outcome for me is to be alive at game end. The more scum alive, the more likely scum is to nk me, since no one's going to protect me while there are town players left to protect.

so basically she's town aligned when it suits her needs, that's not someone to be trusted. Also, I don't know who you protected mantis but if it was not b.tern, why isn't she dead? If there is a scum left the seer/sk team is by far the most dangerous to them, so why didn't they get taken out last night?

As for my role name, I don't have one. I'm the protector of our beloved princess, I've been trained since birth to guard her. Then there is a copy of ob's role and the victory condition about all investigators have to be sacrificed.

[Uselesstwit]

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Don't we only have her word for that?

well ya

but - the thing is the wording of our town PM's. The fact that it did not say win when all threats have been eliminated - means that her win condition isn't to be the last man standing (along with Athene or whoever she recruited). So we've got to believe that her condition actually is, stay alive till the end.

Whether she chooses to align with scum or town at the end -- well, doesn't really matter. But, it seems like she's been working pretty well in town's favour right now

Also, she's got Athene our seer, linked to her as well. So there's that downfall to lynching her

and if she lied about her role? For all we know she is an investigator that made up a role that would fit the sk. As for the wifom you seem to be spinning about me, why would I be fighting it this hard as scum. I could have let athene convince me about ksen and then had a nk tonight.

[Athene]

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Don't we only have her word for that?

well ya

but - the thing is the wording of our town PM's. The fact that it did not say win when all threats have been eliminated - means that her win condition isn't to be the last man standing (along with Athene or whoever she recruited). So we've got to believe that her condition actually is, stay alive till the end.

Whether she chooses to align with scum or town at the end -- well, doesn't really matter. But, it seems like she's been working pretty well in town's favour right now

Also, she's got Athene our seer, linked to her as well. So there's that downfall to lynching her

and if she lied about her role? For all we know she is an investigator that made up a role that would fit the sk. As for the wifom you seem to be spinning about me, why would I be fighting it this hard as scum. I could have let athene convince me about ksen and then had a nk tonight.

Teeth, is that you?

[b.ternarius]

What do you think ksen? do you believe b.ternarius?

I believe she's an indie. I'm having a hard time reconciling a town compatible indie having a recruiting type power.

Well she did choose to be town compatible.

Right, she choose to be town compatable by grabbing our seer and then look at the kills since char. I.c.(most had as townish) and R.c. (when we all but begged her not to make a nk)
also this post she openly admits she's going to do what's best for her, not town.

why'd you kill anyone b.tern? several of us said it was a horrible idea.

Because I did not agree that it was a good idea. I chose to align with town; that doesn't mean I'm not concerned with the best possible outcome for myself. The best possible outcome for me is to be alive at game end. The more scum alive, the more likely scum is to nk me, since no one's going to protect me while there are town players left to protect.

so basically she's town aligned when it suits her needs, that's not someone to be trusted. Also, I don't know who you protected mantis but if it was not b.tern, why isn't she dead? If there is a scum left the seer/sk team is by far the most dangerous to them, so why didn't they get taken out last night?

As for my role name, I don't have one. I'm the protector of our beloved princess, I've been trained since birth to guard her. Then there is a copy of ob's role and the victory condition about all investigators have to be sacrificed.

I did not and could not know Athene was seer first night of the game. I did not and still do not, other than her word that she is seer, even know if she was scum or town. I chose Athene because she is a damn good player and it seemed if there was an upside to choosing one player over another, she'd be a good choice.

So, being honest is bad? I should have just done everything town suggested and disregarded my own safety? You've been crying 'lynch' in my direction for days, including when town had the option of lynching pretty well certain scum, DP. Who is not friendly to town? The player that at least attempts to eliinate scum or the player who ignores his own written town win condition and favours lynching an indie over scum, and this close to game end at that?

And mantis, who did you protect, 'cause I seriously doubt it was me.

[Athene]

no mantis, don't say who you protected

[Athene]

u.t, if b.tern has a survivor win condition then it makes sense for her to want to stay alive. I'm surprised you are making an issue out of this.