Stargate SG1 - game thread

[amok]

Oh, and Amok seems to have proven her ability and loyalty.

Really? How so?

I was the person with green votes ... from yourself and ksen. She didn't kill me.

amok, why didn't you kill me?

Bilirubin (verbal) and Zigmen (greenvote) said kill Bilirirubin. KSen (green vote)and Aza/Charlou (verbal) said kill Aza/Charlou. Fuzzy Fungi (green vote) said kill Zigmen.

Bilirubin and Aza/Charlou and Zigmen each had one "green vote."

How exactly was that supposed to instruct me? I went with first-passed-the-post, which was Bilirubin.

What does the fact that bilirubin flipped vanilla town tell you about the other players ... Zigmen and ksen, in particular?

The most prominent thing that it tells me is that I did, indeed, do that trolley-tracking thing (that means having a one-track mind, correct?) about Bilirubin and saw Scum in everything he did. So now I'm trying to figure out if it's likely that two players could be so spectacularly wrong about a single other player, or if my trolley-track was latched on to (I guess I made it quite obvious). Other players expressed doubt here and there, but Zigmen and I were the ones who were "sure."

Second, the number of Town Specials. We've had a Seer (Nightson) and two Vengeful Tok'ras (Mantis & Feck) and there also must be a Doc (who protected Bilirubin from my Kill attempt on Night 2). From experience, do other players think six Specials is reasonable or too much for a game this size?

[ksen]

amok, the mason thing was a chance thing. I got lucky choosing Zigmen last night.

[ksen]

A lovers claim at this stage would make town less likely to lynch you, which would be a stellar claim for scum to make. It does make me feel better that you both are not retardo town and just plain ol' scum though, now that you have pointed it out.

Are you previewing your posts before you hit submit? This makes no sense.

If zigmen and I were scum a lovers claim would make town less likely to lynch us. And since I pointed out that we did not make the safer claim you are more convinced we are scum?

Let's say I end up lynched and flip town. Who would be your top suspect(s) then?

[Zigmen]

Ksen and I would have to be pretty dumb to claim masons if we were Scum. Granted, it might work as a last ditch gambit, but for now it's idiotic.

The main case against us is that we pushed to kill Bili. Yes, we were wrong, but Bili was wifoming, stating falsities as facts, and was special hunting.

But consider this, Ksen and I, along with Diva and RC all wanted to keep Amok alive to bolster Town's killing power. If we had not pushed so hard, Amok would be dead.

Amok proved her role and did what she promised to do, and Town now has a very clear picture of who wanted Amok dead.

Charlou and Athene.

Ksen and I are Masons with unarguable character claims that are as pro-town as it gets. And, we see what's going on with regard to the now-proven Amok.

8 players left. 5 Town, 1 Indy, 2 Scum.

We know the alignment of 2 Town and 1 Indy. That leaves 5.

3. Aza/Charlou - Scummy as Aza (almost lynched) and Anti-Amok as Charlou, Scum.
4. ksen - Verified by me. Pro-Amok. Mason-Town. Character Name is indisputable.
7. Zigmen - Verified name by Ksen. Pro-Amok. Mason-Town. Character Name is indisputable.
9. higgs2 Was anti-Amok as well? I need to look back.
11. r.c - Reasonable approach. Pro-Amok. Probably Town
15. Athene - Anti Amok. Scum.
16. Amok - Indy SK proven allied with Town
18. diva - Mayor, could have buried Amok and didn't. Town.

Now would be a good time for a mass Name-Claim.

Aside from Charlou and Athene, any objections?

[amok]

Re my post: The most prominent thing that it tells me is that I did, indeed, do that trolley-tracking thing (that means having a one-track mind, correct?) about Bilirubin and saw Scum in everything he did. So now I'm trying to figure out if it's likely that two players could be so spectacularly wrong about a single other player, or if my trolley-track was latched on to (I guess I made it quite obvious). Other players expressed doubt here and there, but Zigmen and I were the ones who were "sure."

I just re-read Day 2. I was squabbling with Bilirubin early on, but Zigmen expressed suspicion first. No basis for my paranoia about that.

[Zigmen]

Re my post: The most prominent thing that it tells me is that I did, indeed, do that trolley-tracking thing (that means having a one-track mind, correct?) about Bilirubin and saw Scum in everything he did. So now I'm trying to figure out if it's likely that two players could be so spectacularly wrong about a single other player, or if my trolley-track was latched on to (I guess I made it quite obvious). Other players expressed doubt here and there, but Zigmen and I were the ones who were "sure."

I just re-read Day 2. I was squabbling with Bilirubin early on, but Zigmen expressed suspicion first. No basis for my paranoia about that.

No, Amok. You weren't Trolley Tracking without reason.

Bili dropped every Scum Tell in the book, including special hunting. He also screwed up seeing the value of your help as a town-aligned SK. It was possibly the worst Town game he's ever played.

[r.c]

I'm up for lynching athene or higgs 2 today. Would like to hear from them first though.

[Zigmen]

I'm up for lynching athene or higgs 2 today. Would like to hear from them first though.

I'm unclear on Higgs. Did she fight the idea of keeping Amok alive? Don't have time to read back right now.

[Zigmen]

Found this by sorting by author:

Postby higgs2 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:43 pm
I think getting rid of the sk is in general a good idea. scum likes sk's. my experience is that they usually have a last man standing wc.

i know ya'll think I'm scummy, and i get that. i would like, though, to see some serious scrutiny of bili. i'm afraid i have been wrong about him this game.

[Zigmen]

Regarding that post:

Higgs, why does Scum like SKs around?

[Zigmen]

ETA, especially when you think that SKs typically have a last-man-standing win condition, why would Scum want SKs around?

[divagreen]

Christ Almighty.

Feck gets killed and the Zigboyz show up first thing in the morning with a special claim. Then they start gunning for Athene.

I am perfectly content to test one of the claimed mason pair's claim by lynching one of them. I don't see Athene abandoning her scummates like this and Charlou reads like town.

Inspector Dean/Zigmen is doing Inspector Scum Dean and I think their claim is bullshit.



Do want to know the scummiest shit that is standing out right now? Zigmen's steering.

[higgs2]

Hi guys,

Seems like it would be quite a gamble for scum to claim masons, esp. if they are the last 2 scum.

Scum likes sk's because sk's often kill town. Epecially if they are not outed and not trying to work with town. You'll notice that post was from tuesday, had a lot happen after that.

I tried to go along with keeping amok by voting fuzy last nite but I was on my kindle browser which sucks and every time I posted my vote i had a cross post and got a rude message about how slow I am. I tried at least 5 times, then gave up. i didn't put down any vote.

I had begun to think bili was scum, so now have to recalibrate. TElling zig to claim special struck me wrong.

[higgs2]

Re my post: The most prominent thing that it tells me is that I did, indeed, do that trolley-tracking thing (that means having a one-track mind, correct?) about Bilirubin and saw Scum in everything he did. So now I'm trying to figure out if it's likely that two players could be so spectacularly wrong about a single other player, or if my trolley-track was latched on to (I guess I made it quite obvious). Other players expressed doubt here and there, but Zigmen and I were the ones who were "sure."

I just re-read Day 2. I was squabbling with Bilirubin early on, but Zigmen expressed suspicion first. No basis for my paranoia about that.

No, Amok. You weren't Trolley Tracking without reason.

Bili dropped every Scum Tell in the book, including special hunting. He also screwed up seeing the value of your help as a town-aligned SK. It was possibly the worst Town game he's ever played.

Yeah this. I was really becoming sure he was scum in spite of thinking him town earlier. He was right, he was becoming a distraction.

[Zigmen]

Christ Almighty.

Feck gets killed and the Zigboyz show up first thing in the morning with a special claim. Then they start gunning for Athene.

I am perfectly content to test one of the claimed mason pair's claim by lynching one of them. I don't see Athene abandoning her scummates like this and Charlou reads like town.

Inspector Dean/Zigmen is doing Inspector Scum Dean and I think their claim is bullshit.



Do want to know the scummiest shit that is standing out right now? Zigmen's steering.

Diva, i assume you want to win.

I need to ask you a favor: Step back and look at what's going on.

1) Look at Ksen and my character names. I'm Catherine Langford, daughter of the archeologist that discovered the Stargate, and holder of several relics from that dig (including the communicator stones). Ksen is Dr. Daniel Jackson, the archaeologist that cracked the codes that allow humans to run the Stargate, and a Son-figure to my character.

We are probably the two most trustworthy figures in Stargate, Do you think Oblivion would give these characters as safe-claims to Scum?

2) By announcing that Ksen and I can communicate, we would have effectively outed the entire Scum team if we were Scum.

3) We would have claimed something better than fucking Masons if we wanted to trick you.

Alright, let's assume that you cannot refute our character names as Town. I think that's a fair assumption.

Now, look at this from Charlou today:

Bollocks.

vote ksen

And.

We can green vote Zigmen.

Now, we hadn't outed our character names at that point, but look at the reasoning: Kill us both.

You noted that one of us would clear or condemn the other by dying, right?

Why would Charlou be paving the road to have us both killed?

Now, Ksen and I did discuss where to put our votes today. We picked Athene over Charlou (barely) because we thought Athene needed more incentive to post, and was most obviously using bullshit arguments against Amok being tested yesterday.

Let me ask you. If you assumed that Ksen and I are Town (if even for a moment), how do you read Charlou's bloodlust and inability to consider testing one of us to clear the other?

As Town, Ksen and I see this and are quite alarmed by this Scum tell.

We need you to consider this. As Mayor, we need you to look at all the evidence and put your vote in the correct place.