Starfleet Game thread

[Mantisdreamz]

plus i had that thing where i thought it was mantis and irre at one stage, and seeing as the flow seems to be to give irre another chance i wonder if i got it half right back then

maybe Irre...

[gib]

ob, gib, and ksen,

Are you guys 50:50 on irre as scum/town like Aden, or do you think 2 or the 3 listed by gib are more probable?

grit i keep getting paranoid that you're not actually quitting mafia and the whole thing was part of some ruse. You wouldn't do that to me would you?

@everyone else - should i drop this?

you should keep it on the back burner with a degree of fastidiousness. It is interesting. do you feel like you are being diverted from the higher probability lines of investigation? does it feel like due diligence?

no it feels like something that keeps popping into my mind uninvited, i need to know if anyone else has similar suspicions then i'll try to wrap it up one way or another

[Feck]

OB Gib does it not worry you at all that Mantis and UT seem keen to make me out as scum today ?

it a puzzlement of expressiveness. you have looked borderline scummy for much of the game. however, I associate your scum game with a certain smoothness and collectedness. and I do note who is fosing you heavily when under pressure. mantis has done it on day 1 to some extent and on day 3. day 2 is sleepfog infested and I haven't got all of it straight in my head yet.

On the other hand apparently both you and UT failed to notice that day 2 ended early and abruptly, which could suggest a lack of info on the scumboard or players who were absent the thread at the same general time.

Have you voted?

I did notice the abrupt end of day I !!!!! Check my posts
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p878824
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p878834

I'm going to change my Name to 'READ MY POST !' before the next mafia game


And no I haven't voted yet, there are votes on me ,I'd like to make sure the town vote isn't split and I get snuffed by default ,I'm Happier to vote Mantis than UT

[Mantisdreamz]

It's probably just someone like UT and grit


@Feck - I see your reaction to my voting you for your post, on the last page. I don't know what to make out of your reactions sometimes. But, I didn't think I was misinterpreting it, I saw it as you were trying to amplify the me being scum meme. sorry if there was confusion

I'll leave my vote for now, but I'm definitely not feeling 100% confident in it.

[oblivion]

there's an everywhereness to it. His post yesterday asking how I wanted my brain disposed pinged in a huge, huge way, because it's something I did myself as n00b scum a long time ago. And, the tying of players together in scum/town pairs, and gently pushing that against the picture that's forming based on last night's actions, also pings, though I can make an argument for due diligence.

on the other hand, his reaction to the pressure, and near-certain lynch, after he accidentally posted a whiteboard link felt pretty townish to me, especially considering the potential effect on the other game.

and on the gripping hand, wasn't he doing similar compares/contrasts/pair-ups in the kingmaker game?

[gib]

feck what do you think - am i being paranoid about grit?

[oblivion]

Just went back over yesterday. UT contributed little of substance, and literally went for *pages* (at least 4) not realizing that a god kill occurred and nightfall had happened. That does not speak well for active scumhunting. I still do not have any idea why Feck brought up why lynching irre would clear him, or point more directly at him, or whatever. Inscrutable. Was also reminded of Grits "farewell to Ob" post. These now stand as my top suspects. Irre still does not come off well from yesterday's night chat, especially with the exchange with Ade, but I am suspending my suspicion somewhat since we have better targets in front of us, and because of the (tentative) confirmation of the block. I am assuming the probability that scum would manufacture the role blocking to clear themselves is a low probability.

If it helps at all, I simply thought yesterday that ob was the obvious choice by scum for a NK, and it was a bit of a hint for a town doc to protect her if that could be attempted.

Also from last night there were a couple of votes which, of course, were non-votes because it was night. Irre voted Aden, and UT voted Feck. It's that second one I wanted to note for the forming wagons on Mantis and Feck today thus far.

Probably because I didn't read the thread .

^^
divertissiments. Feck it was the above post that made me think you hadn't read day 2 before voting. but, I read this on my phone while on the train, and I see that I didn't get the full gist.

What did you mean by this comment?

[Bilirubin]

Caught up with the activities since commuted to work and attended early meetings. I believe it was UT and irre who voted during the night chat. UT was the one oblivious to it for pages and pages.

[Mantisdreamz]

*snip*

OK guys. So here's the real situation of what went on.

Scum blocked Oblivion. Ksen switches her and myself, so I get the block message instead. We know this.

However, as I know that I am town - and so, didn't put the night kill in .. it means that I would be dead right now. The kill wasn't blocked, because I did not put a kill in.

So being that I'm alive, that means that scum did not try to kill Ob last night. They tried to kill someone else, and that other person must have been protected. Either that, or they didn't put a kill in.

Another thing -- I can see why they might not have put in the nk for Oblivion because it's already stated that she was a mason. They were probably searching elsewhere

counterweightings...

this analysis leaves out something interesting. the additional possibility that I was the target of a block, kill and protection as well as the busdriving. it also speaks faintly of actual knowledge of what happened last night, that knowledge being who the scumtitute actually is. I may be reading way too much subtext into this, you think?

You're asking me if I think you're looking into it too much? No, you're exploring the options. I'm not too pleased about the option that you choose as being the case. But, if you learn something from my flip than that'll be okay.

[Mantisdreamz]

*chose

[Mantisdreamz]

it's also kind of odd, that bilirubin 1st day, almost immediately follows Ob's vote on Irre. And then same thing again today.

[Bilirubin]

Just went back over yesterday. UT contributed little of substance, and literally went for *pages* (at least 4) not realizing that a god kill occurred and nightfall had happened. That does not speak well for active scumhunting. I still do not have any idea why Feck brought up why lynching irre would clear him, or point more directly at him, or whatever. Inscrutable. Was also reminded of Grits "farewell to Ob" post. These now stand as my top suspects. Irre still does not come off well from yesterday's night chat, especially with the exchange with Ade, but I am suspending my suspicion somewhat since we have better targets in front of us, and because of the (tentative) confirmation of the block. I am assuming the probability that scum would manufacture the role blocking to clear themselves is a low probability.

If it helps at all, I simply thought yesterday that ob was the obvious choice by scum for a NK, and it was a bit of a hint for a town doc to protect her if that could be attempted.

Also from last night there were a couple of votes which, of course, were non-votes because it was night. Irre voted Aden, and UT voted Feck. It's that second one I wanted to note for the forming wagons on Mantis and Feck today thus far.

Probably because I didn't read the thread .

^^
divertissiments. Feck it was the above post that made me think you hadn't read day 2 before voting. but, I read this on my phone while on the train, and I see that I didn't get the full gist.

What did you mean by this comment?

What I was driving at in phrasing it as I did was because the confusion for me started when he almost randomly (to me) dropped the line about "Now how does this clear me?" into that post. Who said it would? Which post? Ob's quote he was answering was on another topic--it just sort of plunked down there out of nowhere. Subsequent discussions that followed were over whether it would or would not clear him, and aren't relevant to why I am underscoring that post (which is why I phrased my post the way I did, "cleared, or not, or whatever").

That line appears to be a non sequitur that reveals what was going on in his head at the time.

[Bilirubin]

it's also kind of odd, that bilirubin 1st day, almost immediately follows Ob's vote on Irre. And then same thing again today.

Is it also odd that I did not follow her on her votes on diva, grit, or denny (having voted earlier) on the same day?

[Mantisdreamz]

It's probably just someone like UT and grit

scratch this. Don't think UT would point him out like he did.

[grit]

I like gib's list in that order, but I'm trying to work through the game days with a view of Mantis and Feck being the scum, to see if it makes good sense. I also don't want us to forget all the irre flail and how strongly most of us felt she was scum at the start of the today. Her vote still rests on herself.