Photography - Technique and Equipment considerations

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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:14 pm

Moss. As shot and cropped but not enlarged or reduced.

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Re: Photography

Post by Taryn » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:23 am

Thanks for all your comments, they have bee really helpful.

I'm glad everybody preferred pic 2, that's the one I thought was best as well.
I used to be quite confident about cropping until I started reading some recently acquired books on the subject. I seem to have ended up more confused than informed.
I see what you mean about the fly CJ, I didn't even consider that the way the fly was facing could have such an impact . Maybe that is why I felt it just didn't look right no matter which way I did it. I can see now how that affects the way it should be cropped.

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Re: Photography

Post by Taryn » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:40 pm

CJ wrote:What a 10megapixel sensor will allow.

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Eye lashes 693 pixels across resized to 650 pixels wide
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Sigma 180mm f3.5 Macro. 1/320 sec @ f3.5
That is amazing.......and I want a new camera now. :cry:

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Re: Photography

Post by FBM » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:16 am

CJ wrote:What a 10megapixel sensor will allow...

Sigma 180mm f3.5 Macro. 1/320 sec @ f3.5
A couple of months ago, a old g'friend/f-buddy who is a professional photographer gave me a FujiFilm FinePix S2Pro. For free. :woot: I downloaded the manual and have been studying and experimenting, with mixed results. One thing that escapes me so far is that the specs first say "6.17 million effective image pixels" and immediately thereafter says "Over 12 million recorded image pixels (4256 x 2848 pixels)". So...wtf? How many pixels am I working with?

btw, thanks for this thread! :td:
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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:30 am

The Fuji has a unique image sensor. See here a review that explains it http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/

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Post by FBM » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:47 am

CJ wrote:The Fuji has a unique image sensor. See here a review that explains it http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/
Got it! Now it's up to me to figure out how to put it to good use. Many thanks! :td:
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Re: Photography

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CJ wrote:The Fuji has a unique image sensor. See here a review that explains it http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/
Got it! Now it's up to me to figure out how to put it to good use. Many thanks! :td:
Practice, practice and practice. Go and find an object and run the camera through it's paces and observe the results. For example use the aperture priority mode and set the aperture to it's widest point (3.5?) and take a shot, close down the aperture ( let in less light) (f4) do this through the whole rang of apertures. Do this whole process across a range of zoom settings and look at the results. What do you see?

AFTER you have done this read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture

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Re: Photography

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CJ wrote:
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CJ wrote:The Fuji has a unique image sensor. See here a review that explains it http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/
Got it! Now it's up to me to figure out how to put it to good use. Many thanks! :td:
Practice, practice and practice. Go and find an object and run the camera through it's paces and observe the results. For example use the aperture priority mode and set the aperture to it's widest point (3.5?) and take a shot, close down the aperture ( let in less light) (f4) do this through the whole rang of apertures. Do this whole process across a range of zoom settings and look at the results. What do you see?

AFTER you have done this read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture
OK. I'm not in the right time/place to do it right now, but when I am I'll go through the steps you described, then check out the wiki link. Muchas gracias once again! The detail in your exposures is breathtaking.
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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:13 am

FBM wrote:The detail in your exposures is breathtaking.
The detail is down specifically to the type of lens used. It is a true macro lens (as opposed to just being close focus which is often touted as macro). To be called a true macro lens the lens must produce an image on the film (or digital sensor) which is the the same size (or larger) as the real object.

Good old Wiki is good for this sort of thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography

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Re: Photography

Post by FBM » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:46 am

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Good info. That explains why the lens I have (28-80mm 1:3.5-5.6) won't do some of the things I try to get it to. My limitations aside, that is. (Time limitations, too. Lots of overtime this semester.) There are plenty of interesting subjects to photograph here in Korea and I'd like to develop the skills to take advantage of them.
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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:27 pm

A 28-80mm is a basic workhorse lens and just right to learn on.

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Re: Photography

Post by Taryn » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:10 am

I will have about £500 to spend on a new camera in a couple of weeks time. At the moment I have a Fujifim FinePix S6500fd and I'm hoping to upgrade to a DSLR. I have no idea which one to get and am now getting totally lost in the specs........why can't they all use the same units. :cry:
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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:02 am

Taryn wrote:I will have about £500 to spend on a new camera in a couple of weeks time. At the moment I have a Fujifim FinePix S6500fd and I'm hoping to upgrade to a DSLR. I have no idea which one to get and am now getting totally lost in the specs........why can't they all use the same units. :cry:
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£500 on a DSLR will get you a good body with a very basic lens! In terms a close focus work you will actually have worse capability than you current camera! Don't buy anything without comparing the spec of your existing camera with the new one. It's the lens that counts and a good Macro starts at £300, Tamron 90mm f2.8 or Sigma 105mm f2.8 are both good lenses.

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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:08 pm

Link to the Tamron lens http://www.tamron.com/lenses/prod/90mm.asp

Excellent review of the Tamron lens Vz the Canon 60mm. http://photo.net/equipment/canon/can-tam-macro/

It would appear the exchange rate has buggered up the price a bit it's now £329 'ish but I'd haggle and definitely get a copy of Amateur Photographer and look through the small adds in the back and consider Ebay for a second hand lens.

Link to the Sigma lens http://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/lenses/macro/105mm.htm

Review of the Sigma lens http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sigma ... Macro-4587

Prices £330 'ish http://www.camerapricebuster.com/Sigma_ ... DG_pc.html


Link to the Canon 60mm f2.8 http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product ... Macro_USM/

Review of Canon lens http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Canon ... o-USM-4429

Prices around £290!

Link to the Nikon 105mm f2.8 http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imagi ... /index.htm

Critical advantage! It has anti shake technology built in!

Review of lens http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022 ... svr105.asp

£600 :cry:

Link to Nikon 60mm f2.8 beware two models! http://www.europe-nikon.com/family/en_G ... ad/26.html the G is the one to go for as it is newer and the AF is in the lens making it compatible with all Nikon bodies.

The G model come in at £420

So what to go for? I'd but a new Canon or Nikon body and a second hand Sigma or Tamron lens. I'd get a new body as it will have a guarantee and the body is way more complex than the lens. Second hand lenses are very cheap at the moment and macro lenses are sometimes bought on a whim and used very little. So find the lens first and buy the appropriate body to match. You don't need more than 5MP to print a whole frame to A4 and a 10PM sensor is more than adequate and allows good cropping of the image and still leaves enough to print to A4.

Whether or not you can get all this for £500 is an unknown quantity. If you are lucky you may find somebody on Ebay selling a body and lens within your budget in which case I would consider that.

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Re: Photography

Post by CJ » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:39 pm

Canon EOS1000D @ £310 + 60mm f2.8 @ £290 = £600 for a system.

Plus memory cards from 7DayShop.com

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