The Libertarian Case for Slavery

[Seth]

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

Well, that much is true. Not that it means anything that it's true. Corporate personhood merely reflects the fact that a corporation is made up of many people acting collectively who cannot effectively protect their rights and express themselves to their government as individuals, and so it needs to be thought of as "person" so that the collective owners and managers can act in concert with one voice to achieve the objectives of the corporation and lobby before government for redress of grievances with the same single voice.

It has nothing to do with thinking that a corporation is an actual person, which is indicated by the fact that corporate "personhood" rights are different from the rights of natural human beings, such as the fact that corporations can't vote.

[JimC]

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

Well, that much is true. Not that it means anything that it's true. Corporate personhood merely reflects the fact that a corporation is made up of many people acting collectively who cannot effectively protect their rights and express themselves to their government as individuals, and so it needs to be thought of as "person" so that the collective owners and managers can act in concert with one voice to achieve the objectives of the corporation and lobby before government for redress of grievances with the same single voice.

It has nothing to do with thinking that a corporation is an actual person, which is indicated by the fact that corporate "personhood" rights are different from the rights of natural human beings, such as the fact that corporations can't vote.

They don't need to vote, they simply put a certain proportion of their income stream into employing teams of lawyers, spin doctors, advertising men and other bullshit artists to manipulate the party political process in most countries in the direction that best serves their interests...

[Seth]

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

Well, that much is true. Not that it means anything that it's true. Corporate personhood merely reflects the fact that a corporation is made up of many people acting collectively who cannot effectively protect their rights and express themselves to their government as individuals, and so it needs to be thought of as "person" so that the collective owners and managers can act in concert with one voice to achieve the objectives of the corporation and lobby before government for redress of grievances with the same single voice.

It has nothing to do with thinking that a corporation is an actual person, which is indicated by the fact that corporate "personhood" rights are different from the rights of natural human beings, such as the fact that corporations can't vote.

They don't need to vote, they simply put a certain proportion of their income stream into employing teams of lawyers, spin doctors, advertising men and other bullshit artists to manipulate the party political process in most countries in the direction that best serves their interests...

That's called "democracy." You have a problem with democracy? Corporations are, in many cases (like the NRA) formed for the express purpose of lobbying government on behalf of the members of the organization precisely because by speaking with one voice, they have a much greater effect on the legislative process. In union there is strength, and the NRA is absolutely no different in that regard than the SEIU or United Auto Workers. People have a perfect right to band together in a group for any lawful purpose, including making money or political advocacy, and their "elected" paid representatives speak with their voice before the legislatures in order to protect their interests. There's absolutely nothing wrong or the least bit unusual about that. It's the whole purpose of politics, to represent constituencies and listen to the petitions for redress from all groups and individuals, and then make decisions that help the majority to achieve their desired goals within the restraining framework of the constitutional rights of individuals. And the elective processes by which the people, who can vote, choose their representatives is the appropriate check and balance (along with anti-corruption laws, of which there are many) to the political force of lobbying groups.

But it must be acknowledged that lobbyists are merely representing their own constituents before the legislature, and each of those constituents has a right to be heard by their representatives and to have their needs and desires given due consideration. Hiring someone to do so is hardly a fatal blow to the process, it's actually necessary, since no representative can possibly have time to listen to each and every person he or she represents.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

Highly quote-worthy

...Hiring someone to do so is hardly a fatal blow to the process, it's actually necessary, since no representative can possibly have time to listen to each and every person he or she represents.

But very often it's the individual persons who have the more important things to say than the hired representatives of corporations.

[Svartalf]

Mai, I don't know if you came up with that or were just quoting, but at any rate, it's a great quote.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

My tired brain keeps reading that thread title as "The Libertarian Case for Swanley". I would make a parroty thread, only I can think of nothing funny/appropriate to go in the OP.

[Seth]

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.

Highly quote-worthy

...Hiring someone to do so is hardly a fatal blow to the process, it's actually necessary, since no representative can possibly have time to listen to each and every person he or she represents.

But very often it's the individual persons who have the more important things to say than the hired representatives of corporations.

Perhaps, perhaps not. If the individual does have something important to say, then they should probably go to Washington (or Parliament) and say it. Or hire someone already in Washington (or London) to say it for them.

[Tyrannical]

What's the Socialist / Communist case for slavery?
That all citizens are State property?

[Seth]

What's the Socialist / Communist case for slavery?
That all citizens are State property?

Indeed.

[Schneibster]

It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable.

Where did you people say that slavery is a good idea?

Would it violate some Socialtardian principle for an informed adult of sound mind to enter into a contract of temporary indentured servitude to accomplish some goal?

[Schneibster]

It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable.

Liar.

Dude, you said slavery is a good idea. You want to make up a euphemism for it.

Liar.

Insults are beside the point. This is incontrovertible. You argued in favor of chattel slavery.

Liar.

Insults. I win.

[Seth]

It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable.

Liar.

Dude, you said slavery is a good idea. You want to make up a euphemism for it.

Liar.

Insults are beside the point. This is incontrovertible. You argued in favor of chattel slavery.

Liar.

Insults. I win.

Liar.

[Schneibster]

Liar.

Thanks, Seth! I get an extra point every time you insult me. You're very helpful.

ETA: Oh, and BTW thanks for acknowledging that you can't deny that Libertardians are in favor of slavery.

EATA: Oh, and respecting your fiction about how nobody knows your views, that you are too.

[Seth]

Liar.

Thanks, Seth! I get an extra point every time you insult me. You're very helpful.

ETA: Oh, and BTW thanks for acknowledging that you can't deny that Libertardians are in favor of slavery.

EATA: Oh, and respecting your fiction about how nobody knows your views, that you are too.

Here, let me give you some extra "points:"

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[Tyrannical]

Aside for the moral reasons against enslaving someone, importing slaves causes economic harm to domestic workers by increasing the labor pool.