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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:42 pm

Why does it take hordes of sperm to soften an egg enough for one to get in?
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:05 pm

They forgot the chocolate and flowers?

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:16 am

The things one finds:
"So i am wrong in this, that i was taught RNA was the what the recombined DNA molecule was called when the sperm joined with the egg and began life."

I did correct him, he never responded.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:04 pm

The miracle of life!

Also, throw in some Hoyle type of statistics. One zillion sperm shoot out. One of them made you. To get all your features, the odds are one in a zillion. Go back 100 ancestors and the odds are one in 100 x zillion. You were nearly impossible to produce.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:40 pm

Sorry, either 100^zillion
Or zillion^100.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:30 pm

Many fundamentalists claim, from their special websites, that DNA is the same as DNA 50 million years ago
R. Morris - "But they will have the DNA of those 50 million year old ants."

Hate to tell you this R.Morris but insects trapped in amber do not contain DNA.

Although it was a great movie, 'Jurassic Park' was not a documentary.
They read stuff like this and go DNA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:09 pm

Preaching to fundies again.

A good tip is to discard the opinions and rantings of scientists serving time for tax fraud, working on the payroll of the Heritage Foundation etc.

Darwinian "survival of the fittest" is greatly misunderstood. If a species produces just a few more offspring in its lifetime than a similar species in the same habitat, the loser will go extinct in that area in a short time. It may survive elsewhere. It's not like they kill each other.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:55 pm

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Now that I've grown in my walk with the Lord, my beliefs have not only changed, but become quite solidified. When I teach my children about the creation of the world, I include dinosaurs with the other animals. I want them to be aware from a young age that not everything that is supposedly "scientifically proven" lines up with what we believe the Bible teaches. I've been collecting resources over the last few years and we have recently added a real gem to our collection.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by mistermack » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:36 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Why does it take hordes of sperm to soften an egg enough for one to get in?
I don't know about other animals, but from a human point of view, it makes sense.

If a male can't make enough sperm, due to age, or some physical problem, then he might make an unsuitable father.
He might die rather sooner than one that produces a good volume of sperm.

Also, a fleeting quick mating with an uncommitted male might result in single parenthood, which would reduce the chances of the young making it to adulthood. Or, an attempted forced mating, by a male that the female didn't want as a mate, might introduce a small amount of sperm, and it would be better if that didn't result in a pregnancy.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:56 pm

It's to do with the hominid past. There was mating all day as primates. Thus the more sperm you made the better the chance your sperm "won" that day. It also deals with timing of ovulation.

Meanwhile, we were discussing simple ordinary folk:
Me:There is generally a distrust of The Gubment. My dad had a man working for him in Florida who was barely literate. He could read lists of product and check off tables and boxes. I worked outdoors summers with him. I talked things with Donald while we sorted items to pack. He knew I went to college. He did not believe anything that came from a book! He was not dumb, he would quiz me about experiments I had done. If I had first hand experience on some matter, he would "take it into consideration." One day his car broke down and he quit. He found a job he could walk to. It took me and my dad 12 hours to do what he could do in 4 hours alone.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:27 pm

Back to the sperm. A somewhat confusing example is seen in birds. The female ovulates continuously until the nest is full. The males keep mating with her the whole time. The sperm are waiting for days for the next egg to come down. In some songbirds the male pokes at the female cloaca to drain it of previous sperm. I think Dunnock is one. Most of the eggs will be his, but usually in a nest there is 1 that isn't.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:46 pm

Using Ken Ham as lecture. Works well.
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