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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Svartalf » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:02 am

Gawdzilla wrote:"You can't just look at the flaws, you have to look at the wonderful as well. The wonderful outweighs the flaws. Therefore God."
As per their own mathematical rules Dog = Perfect
Human created in Its Image, therefore Human = Perfect
wonderful < perfect

Therefore, this is false.
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:22 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:"You can't just look at the flaws, you have to look at the wonderful as well. The wonderful outweighs the flaws. Therefore God."
As per their own mathematical rules Dog = Perfect
Human created in Its Image, therefore Human = Perfect
wonderful < perfect

Therefore, this is false.
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Svartalf » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:35 am

Dog is Perfect, We are created in Its Image, therefore we ought to be perfect.
The universe may be full of wonders, but a shown by Tero's exhibit, we have any number of glaring defects; so however wonderful we may be, perfect we are not.

Therefore, the predicate that there is a god that is perfect and created us in its image is flawed and false. The wonders of Nature cannot be used as proof for the Divine.
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:36 am

Uh, ... okay. :leave:
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:07 pm

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:48 am

Big Bang for fundamentalists.
http://www.amazon.com/forum/science/ref ... UD120Y3EZW

maybe?
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:30 pm

Curtis, later, still does not get it. Or much
Illuminating, John, that we can hear the big bang, and see the first three minutes. Thank you.

However, the majority of humankind will never understand how scientists prove the existence of anything from faint noises and images. Non-scientists must accept these things.

This is far different from a non-medical person understanding that e.g. eating high fat foods raises LDL cholesterol. Much simpler.

Evolution is a fact. But what caused cells to divide, we do not know. What caused mutations, we do not know. Why there is natural selection, we do not know. But we know there was no intelligence behind it all, even though why intelligence is the product of electrical charges and chemical reactions, we do not know.

Why the moon and sun are in the just right locations, why the collision that caused the moon occurred at the just right velocity and angle, we will never know.

We are just lucky, to live on a planet that supports very complex human bodies, after thousands of successive events happening in the right sequence.
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Dear Curtis

You speak of "But what caused cells to divide, we do not know. What caused mutations, we do not know. Why there is natural selection, we do not know."

The "what causes" questions we do know and can find out. Mutations are caused by changes in the Genetic material of DNA and there are a number of ways this can occur, largely through transcription errors that are well understood. What causes cell division we also understand fairly well. But the "why?" question, Ah.... that is a different matter. It is an enquiry into purpose, teleology, and that maybe we can never know. Ever been with a small child who asks "Why?" to every answer you give him. Endless....

We can only stand in awe at the face of the great mystery.

Hope this helps

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:35 pm

"Yeah, but" nothing but "yeah, but", endlessly.
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:07 pm

I'm not quite sure a tipped planet is essential for life. But one tipped 90 degrees would be pretty weird.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:09 pm

Tero wrote:I'm not quite sure a tipped planet is essential for life. But one tipped 90 degrees would be pretty weird.
Wouldn't that put one side permanently toward the Sun? I think the twilight zone would be the most habitable for our kind of critters on such a planet.
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Tero » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:12 pm

I think there would be a way to tip 90 degrees and still have days. I dont have a model.

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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:25 pm

Tero wrote:I think there would be a way to tip 90 degrees and still have days. I dont have a model.
The polar axis would point toward the sun. The rotation would be what we would think of as the north-south direction.
Isn't there a planet that already does this in our Solar System? Neptune, Uranus, Pluto?

Oh, on consideration, if the axis was in line with the orbital motion, the planet would "rotisserie", north to south or vice versa. :tup:
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by cowiz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:08 pm

Tero wrote:Image
You missed "hernias"
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Re: Evolution for fundamentalists

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:11 pm

pawiz wrote:
Tero wrote:Image
You missed "hernias"
"You can't look at the ways we're the same as the apes, you have to look at the way we're different! That's the parts that show that God has blessed Man with a special, divine, spark!"

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