Oh, my my my, where DO we begin?

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Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:47 pm

Where's the Andy Williams video? :lay:


Anyway, this guy has a point. I mean, I have spent absolute hours reading up on science stuff, so I know more than the scientists. Scientists say there is no oxygen on the sun. Well, I can prove there is.
Fire needs 3 elements to burn. Heat, fuel and oxygen. The sun has fuel (hydrogen) it also has heat (God makes that, Genesis 1:3 God said "Let there be light". so without electricity, the only way to make light is with fire. Fire creates heat, so god makes the heat in the sun.) And of course, OXYGEN!

So oxygen must be present or the sun won't burn.
Your precious EVILution couldn't have happened because it doesn't explain the oxygen on the sun. :tea:
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Post by egbert » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:10 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Is evolution really such a great genius as this?

God’s Son not only created the universe, but also maintains and directs its’ course.
The laws of nature are His laws, and they operate at His command.
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Post by Tero » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:19 pm

Is God made of subatomic particles? How can he communicate with my molecules if he isn't?
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Post by cowiz » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:33 am

Feck wrote:Ok but no laughing at him for at least his welcome thread .....
Can't promise that :levi:
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Post by hackenslash » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:01 am

Does evolution make electrons go at their absolutely perfect speed?
Perfect speed? What would that be then, and what does it have to do with evolution? Are you making the classic cretinist mistake of confusing physics with biology?
Molecular scientists say only one-millionth of an atom
consists of matter, and all the rest is empty space!
Kaaaayyyyyy...
At the center of an atom is a positively-charged nucleus.
At a great distance from the nucleus is one or more negatively-charged electrons.
Electrons circle around the nucleus at an incredible speed.
Errr, no. Firstly, electrons don't 'go around the nucleus', they exist in a kind of cloud of probability, as described by the Schrödinger equation.
The Force-A of attraction between the electron (-) and nucleus (+)
must be exactly equal to the Force-B velocity of the moving electron
in order for it to maintain its’ perfect circular pattern.
Well, apart from the fact that velocity is not a force, velocity is also a vector quantity, while speed is a scalar quantity, so does the electron have velocity or does it have speed?
IF the electron was to slow down, Force-A would be greater than Force-B
… causing the electron to collapse into the nucleus.
IF the electron was to speed up, Force-B would be greater than Force-A
… causing the electron to just fly off into space.
IF either of these two scenarios were to happen
… the atom would disintegrate (disappear), leaving basically nothing at all.
Ah, I see you haven't been introduced to the concept of electronic transition, in which electrons jump from one orbit to another based on the energy they embody. If you had, you'd understand that this argument doesn't remotely stand up to scrutiny.
Well, one-millionth of our world would still be floating around in space.
One millionth? I put it to you, you ignoramus, that one million millionths of our world are still floating around in space (with due reference to the fact that travelling at some 30 metres per second can hardly be described as 'floating').
Does evolution make electrons go at their absolutely perfect speed?
Which perfect speed would that be? See previous point about electronic transition.
The Bible says, “No”, and explains what controls the speed of electrons.
Ah, I see the source of your fuckwittery. The babble isn't a science book. Perhaps a little education would serve you here.
God SPOKE everything into existence (Genesis 1: 3, 6, 9, 11, etc.).
His spoken word is incredibly powerful.
“He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood,
and His name is called The Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made
that was made. … He was in the world, and the world was made through Him
… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us …” (John 1:1-14)

The underlined refers to God the Son (Jesus); the other Person is God the Father.

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn* over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things,
and in Him all things (now) consist (hold together).” (Colossians 1:15-17)
* first to be resurrected from the dead (see verse 18)

“God … has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has
appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the worlds;
who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person,
and upholding* all things by the word of His power …” (Hebrews 1:1-3)
The terms “Son of God” and “God the Son” are names (titles) only.
The “last days” of 2000 years, compared to the first 4000 years of Jewish history.
* bearing or carrying, referring to movement and progress toward a final end.

God’s Son not only created the universe, but also maintains and directs its’ course.
The laws of nature are His laws, and they operate at His command.
Perhaps it's just my stupidity, but I'm not seeing where it mentions the orbits of electrons, or what any of your argument has to do with evolution. Help us out here. Is this another of those 'contextual' things, in which you have to make up what is meant?
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Re: Oh, my my my, where DO we begin?

Post by devogue » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:10 am

a kind of cloud of probability
Delicious concept.

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Post by hackenslash » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:12 am

Indeed. In fact, under certain formulations of quantum mechanics, the electron has neither position nor velocity until it's actually observed, although that takes us into a discussion about what constitutes an observer, which is probably beyond the remit of this thread.
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Post by Feck » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:24 am

hackenslash wrote:Indeed. In fact, under certain formulations of quantum mechanics, the electron has neither position nor velocity until it's actually observed, although that takes us into a discussion about what constitutes an observer, which is probably beyond the remit of this thread.

Yes it is , we just need a sharp stick to poke fundies with; it doesn't have to be that sharp , I have never needed a stick sharper than newtonian physics would allow for .
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Post by normal » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:25 am

Evolution doesn't make electrons spin. Evolution doesn't make anything do anything (the obvious exception being that evolution makes religious people look stupid)
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:34 am

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Post by hackenslash » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:40 am

Feck wrote:Yes it is , we just need a sharp stick to poke fundies with; it doesn't have to be that sharp , I have never needed a stick sharper than newtonian physics would allow for .
Well, yes, except that the above bit of drivel is outside the scope of Newtonian physics. Indeed, it could be said that Newtonian physics is exactly what's wrong with the guff contained in the OP, because he's attempting to apply common sense to principles in which common sense is fairly useless.

Of course, I could be crediting the guy with the possession of common sense, and I could well be in error in that regard. :lol:
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Re: Oh, my my my, where DO we begin?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:40 am

hackenslash wrote:
Feck wrote:Yes it is , we just need a sharp stick to poke fundies with; it doesn't have to be that sharp , I have never needed a stick sharper than newtonian physics would allow for .
Well, yes, except that the above bit of drivel is outside the scope of Newtonian physics. Indeed, it could be said that Newtonian physics is exactly what's wrong with the guff contained in the OP, because he's attempting to apply common sense to principles in which common sense is fairly useless.

Of course, I could be crediting the guy with the possession of common sense, and I could well be in error in that regard. :lol:
If you follow the link back you'll see he doesn't get any better.
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