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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by Blondie » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:33 pm

Pappa wrote:
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Josh and Cougar.

Why do I suddenly feel a strong urge to watch Jerry Springer?
On second thoughts....

I can praise him instead for being able to do all that videoing and web stuff even though he's blind.
*snork*
You guys are obviously falling for a second-rate photoshop job.

This is the real pic.

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Post by Trolldor » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:34 pm

ROSWELL WAS REAL
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by klr » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:35 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:ROSWELL WAS REAL
Nooooooooooooooooooo! Don't go there! :cry:
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:37 pm

I'd love to see a pawiz version with their faces transplanted on each other...
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Post by Trolldor » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:38 pm

Put them side by side and play "spot the difference"
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:39 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Put them side by side and play "spot the difference"
I'm looking at them side by side in that pic. He may have more facial hair, but it could just be the lighting...
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Post by Blondie » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:40 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:I'd love to see a pawiz version with their faces transplanted on each other...
I was thinking of morphing one into the other in a .gif

Could add it to the smileys? :biggrin:
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Post by Blondie » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Put them side by side and play "spot the difference"
I'm looking at them side by side in that pic. He may have more facial hair, but it could just be the lighting...
The real pic or the photoshop fake?

In the real one she's not quite as beautiful as Cate Blanchett, but she's got the look.

In the photoshop fake she looks like she ought to be guarding the bridge of death. :whistle:
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:45 pm

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Bella Fortuna wrote:I'd love to see a pawiz version with their faces transplanted on each other...
I was thinking of morphing one into the other in a .gif
:hehe: Just ewwwwwwwww....

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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by my_wan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:06 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:It's depicted that she was very involved with RDFRS, supposedly as a 'volunteer.' Looks fishy to me. And why were her son, sister, parents, and niece receiving payments from the Foundation?
What it looks like to me is that Josh planned an intellectual rights defense from the start. This also explains why he turn over the books so easily after UK law changed giving RDF the power to run the store themselves. The authority to hire his own help is one of the many legal litmus test for that argument.

Sad thing is Josh has some likelihood of winning the intellectual property augment on some items. It'll be an itemized battle though. It sucks that Josh could use foreknowledge of his legal position to preplan embezzlement. It looks like RD probably holds an ace card on the main points though. This is just my opinion based on going through the court documents and bits of factual history.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:12 pm

An interesting supposition! :eddy:
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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by my_wan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:33 pm

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maiforpeace wrote:... Josh wouldn't be acting with such paranoia if he didn't fear something.
That's my impression, and what I'm waiting to learn.
This is what I said last February. I couldn't make sense of the proprietary structuring of the new RDF forum and other clues that seemed out of place at that time, given what was so easily and freely available. Now people don't understand why Josh would give up the books so quickly when UK law changed and RD wanted to take direct control of the store.

Yet the clues then and now point to a preconceived defense against the embezzlement, family pay, etc. Which in large part depends on the proprietary rights argument, and autonomous authority.
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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by Svartalf » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:55 pm

Of course, the fact that the site, logo, etc were to be associated and used by an organisation that was paying him handsomely for the work do point to work for hire... now, I'd like to know what the standards and precedent of California law are... I suspect that work for hire has an advantage, but I'd really like to see a real expert's take on that shambles.
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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by my_wan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:14 pm

See: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf
and: Community for Creative Non-Violence v. Reid
http://supreme.justia.com/us/490/730/

Copyright law is a minefield, with lots of unknowns. It's a dangerous defense. Especially if it can be demonstrated that it was intended as a tool for embezzlement in this case. Also, RDF actually purchased copyright for some of that material from a third party. It is not then transfered to Josh by lack of contract or verbal dispute. The FTC could possibly get involved also, due to marketing representations.
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Re: In Praise of Josh Timonen

Post by my_wan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:20 pm

Even the context of the word "Lovely" on Josh's website came close to tipping a legal strategy. The lawyers are as lost as the average citizen once you get this far into copyright law. This case could very well set precedence.
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