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Re: Abortion USA

Post by macdoc » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm

BUT if we pass a 15 week limit we're "christofacists" and "women are slaves" and blah blah blah de-fucking blah.
why yes you are..it's HER choice ....you and the fucking state got no say 't'all
Pretty dodgy statement for a lbbbyertarian.
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Post by Tero » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:09 pm

I was actually thinking that some 50/50 states might pass the 15 week ban. Enough democrats will think it's some kind of gain over the likrly nothing, if the governor is Tepublican. Governorships here in the little states are just bought. All you need is ads on Fox TV a few months all day.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by laklak » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:12 pm

macdoc wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm
BUT if we pass a 15 week limit we're "christofacists" and "women are slaves" and blah blah blah de-fucking blah.
why yes you are..it's HER choice ....you and the fucking state got no say 't'all
Pretty dodgy statement for a lbbbyertarian.
But not France, Germany, Australia, UK, Denmark............

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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Tero » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:16 pm

The 12-15 weeks in European countries is just the low level high jump hurdle. You can walk in and get the abortion that day in those countries. Even if under age.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by macdoc » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:21 pm

Ummm Australia is 24 weeks ...read your own post and it is readily available everywhere.
Only pill induced abortion is limited time as can be dangerous otherwise.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:15 pm

Ah, you gotta ignore Europeans lak, their history is awful. Hell, we almost made it out of Christianity very early on except for a jackass firebrand from the UK --they must've thought he sounded nice.

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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:28 pm

laklak wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:57 pm
Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:51 pm
Devil is in the detail Lak.
What detail? Is the information incorrect?

Australia has widely varying abortion regulations from state to state. Why is that any different to our 50 states? Why is 15 weeks considered horrible if WE pass such a restriction (which the House GOP is proposing), but it's just fine and dandy for "civilized" Europe to have even more restrictive rules?

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
I can't speak to the Ozzie system, but as the list showed the UK doesn't have 'abortion on demand'. Then again, no woman is denied an abortion up to 24 weeks and the vast majority who seek an abortion have it within the first 12 weeks. The law says that she needs the approval of 2 Drs: the 1st is usually her family Dr who refers her to a specialist, who is the 2nd Dr to approve the procedure. There's no requirement that she meets a medical test other than expressing her desire to her Dr, she doesn't have to undergo any kind of moral instruction or religious counselling, no obligation to watch 3 hours of video testimony from women who said they later regretted having a termination or recounting their medical horror stories, no requirement for her married or civil partner to grant permission, nor is she criminalised if she buys the morning after pill online or over the counter at any high street pharmacy. But the 'abortion on demand' canard is a red herring - it's really only the pro-life brigade who push the narrative that lazy and morally lax women demand an on-the-spot abortion as a form of after-the-fact contraception.

And what's the butt hurt over a 15 week limit eh? Four days after SCOTUS published their ruling abortion is effectively banned in 8 states and in the process of being banned in 10 more. Florida might be a little more progressive (must be the influence of all them rich Northerners) but who here is singling out Florida eh (I'm assuming the Royal 'we' was a reference to Florida not the nation at large)? I know you often joke otherwise, but Florida is not the United States, so criticising the ruling of the nation's highest court isn't hypocrisy because i) nobody is blaming Florida, and ii) nobody is suggesting that termination services should be a wholly regulation-free zone - the devil, as I said, is in the detail of those regulations, which vary, as noted.

And besides, what impact do you think banning abortion will have on obstetricians and gynaecologists? Are they likely to hang around or more likely to cross a border, or two, to maintain their practice, and what effect do you think that could have on maternity care and the reproductive health of every woman in those states? The ruling and the bans have implications for all women in those states, not just the uppity wenches who apparently need to constantly get abortions on their lunch breaks.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Hermit » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:20 pm

laklak wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:07 pm
Abortion on demand limits: (all from Wiki)

Australis: 9 weeks nationwide for medical (abortifacient) , between 16 to 24 for surgical
Way to mislead, laklak. From the Wikipedia:

Australian Capital Territory: Accessible (no gestational limit). Must be provided by medical doctor. Health Minister may set 50 metre exclusion zones for protests.

New South Wales: Accessible up to 22 weeks. Beyond 22 weeks legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones are set at 150 metres around abortion clinics since 1 July 2018.

Northern Territory: Accessible up to 24 weeks. Beyond 24 weeks legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones of 150 metres provided around abortion clinics.

Queensland: Accessible up to 22 weeks. Beyond 22 weeks legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones of 150 metres are provided around abortion clinics.

South Australia: Accessible up to 22 weeks and 6 days. Beyond 22 weeks and 6 days legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones of 150 metres provided around abortion clinics since 1 January 2021.

Tasmania: Accessible up to 16 weeks. Beyond 16 weeks legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones of 150 metres provided around abortion clinics.

Victoria: Accessible up to 24 weeks. Beyond 24 weeks legal with two doctors' approval. Safe access zones of 150 metres provided around abortion clinics.

Western Australia: Accessible up to 20 weeks. Very restricted after 20 weeks. Parental notification required for people under 16. Safe access zones of 150 metres provided around abortion clinics.

Except for Western Australia getting the approval of two doctors is either ignored in practice or a mere formality until the third trimester.

As for abortifacients, mifepristone and misoprostol can be bought at pharmacies without a prescription, so I have no idea where you got the 9 weeks nationwide time limit from.

In short, abortions are a woman's choice in Australia. How do our laws compare with proposed and enacted abortion laws in the various states of your benighted country?

I leave checking other countries out to whoever could be bothered. The information I furnished here suffices to prove that you are dishonest.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:49 am

Sean Hayden wrote:
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Post by Tero » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:16 pm

MO hospital won't dispense abortion pill
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Post by Svartalf » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:47 pm

Why are you slaughtering church latin like that? it's not like the Catholic church ever had that strong of a presence that far to the Northeast.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by JimC » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:25 am

laklak wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:57 pm
Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:51 pm
Devil is in the detail Lak.

Australia has widely varying abortion regulations from state to state. Why is that any different to our 50 states?
They vary in week limits, but there are no Australian states in which it is illegal...
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Post by macdoc » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:13 am

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:32 am

That will teach her.

'As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure'
On Monday three days after the Supreme Court issued its groundbreaking decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis obstetrician-gynecologist, took a call from a colleague, a child abuse doctor in Ohio.

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

Could Bernard help?

Indiana lawmakers are poised to further restrict or ban abortion in mere weeks. The Indiana General Assembly will convene in a special session July 25 when it will discuss restrictions to abortion policy along with inflation relief.

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A ban on abortions after six weeks took effect on last week in Ohio. Last Friday the two abortion providers in Kentucky shut their doors after that state’s trigger law banning abortions went into effect.

Indiana soon could have similar restrictions.

That pains doctors like Bernard.

“It’s hard to imagine that in just a few short weeks we will have no ability to provide that care,” Bernard said.
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