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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:18 am

From May this year...
How period apps could be a gift to anti-abortion movements

t’s famously difficult to convince the public to take action against threats to their civil liberties. Even potentially catastrophic issues, such as climate change, often fail to inspire a real change in habits among a critical mass of people. One of the clearest examples is data privacy. Following the rise of Big Tech and the Cambridge Analytica scandal, most people say they are concerned about their personal data being misused, but not enough to do something about it.

It’s easy to see why data privacy fails to fully hold the public’s attention: it’s complex and boring; it’s largely invisible and its effects are rarely physically felt. Many people believe these concerns are valid, but that they largely aren’t applicable to themselves personally. Who cares if companies know what you like to buy, the fastest commute to your workplace, or the memes you send to your friends and family? The macro effects are understood but the micro effects don’t feel relevant to individuals.

Activists and tech watchdogs are worried that this is how people will react to potential threats to women’s data usage if the US Supreme Court does indeed overturn Roe vs Wade, the landmark ruling from 1973 that legalised abortion nationwide. As half the country faces the possible end of many of their reproductive rights, there is little understanding about how their personal data could be used as criminal evidence if they were to try to end a pregnancy — from texts to emails to apps.

Information from organisations such as the Digital Defense Fund and the Electronic Frontier Foundation explains that there are several avenues by which data could be collected and used to prove that someone sought a termination, were abortions to become illegal. (These organisations offer comprehensive guidance about how to protect your data.) These avenues include any written communications discussing getting an abortion, location tracking apps that could show a user had been to an abortion clinic, internet search history and even period-tracking apps....

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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Svartalf » Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:07 pm

period apps are a technical version of the old Ogino method, which was so successful there were any numbers of so called 'Ogino children' born when it was in fashion.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:24 am

Michigan voters to vote on abortion. Election officials could still throw it out after the election on a technicality.


Voters in Michigan will decide whether to protect abortion this November
Politics Sep 9, 2022 5:16 PM EDT
Voters in Michigan will decide whether to amend the state constitution to include protections for abortion access this November following a contentious battle over including two petition-driven proposals on the ballot.

What is often an ordinary administrative process resulted in prolonged back-and-forth between advocates in favor of and against abortion over the spacing between words on the proposal itself, nearly stymying its chances of being sent to voters. If one of the proposals, titled the Michigan Right to Reproductive Freedom Initiative, is approved by Michigan residents, the state’s constitution would protect the right to reproductive freedom in the state, making it one of several to adopt measures in support of abortion access months after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

The Michigan Supreme Court voted Thursday evening 5-2 to order the inclusion of the measure on the ballot. It was certified by the state’s board of canvassers Friday morning.

“We are energized and motivated now more than ever to restore the protections that were lost under Roe,” Darci McConnell, communications director for the Reproductive Freedom for All campaign, said in an emailed statement to the NewsHour. “This affirms that more than 730,000 voters read, signed, and understood the petitions and that the frivolous claims from the opposition are simply designed to distract from our effort to keep the abortion rights we had under Roe for nearly 50 years.”
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:27 pm

because there is nothing allowing abortion at the national level, that means...you can ban it
This will be the sixth time Republican senator Lindsey Graham has introduced his national abortion ban in Congress, only now, the South Carolina lawmaker has made it even more strict.

Previous versions of the bill have outlawed abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, but Graham is now expected to propose a ban that takes effect after 15 weeks. That would align federal law with Florida, which outlaws the procedure after the same period of time, with some medical exceptions.

The GOP is in an uncertain spot when it comes to such legislation. Data has shown an increase in women registering to vote after the supreme court overturned Roe v Wade in June and allowed states to outlaw abortion, while in Republican-dominated Kansas, voters there resoundingly rejected an attempt to lay the groundwork for a statewide ban. It’s also worth remembering that Graham proposed his national abortion ban during a period when Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House, and it didn’t pass then.
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Post by Tero » Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:18 pm

Mr Hypocrite is likely gay:
The confirmed bachelor’s efforts to keep his sexual orientation a secret suffered a blow this summer, when male escorts and porn stars created a stir with the “Lady Graham” hashtag and revelations about “ladybugs” (Google it if you have an iron stomach). Porn star Sean Harding went public on Twitter, alleging Graham has hired multiple D.C.-based escorts over the years who signed non-disclosure agreements, which have enabled this farce to persist for so long.

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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:11 am

Out with it Lindsay.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:20 pm

I think democrats should go ahead and vote on a bill that allows abortion. It can be 15 weeks or 20 weeks, depending on what is likely to pass.

It would then be law. Challenges to the law would be difficult. You can get surgeons to refuse to abort or pharmacists to dispense pills. That is as far as it would go. No person suing the government over the law would have any standing in court. The law does not force YOU to have an abortion. Your sister having an abortion and that hurting your religious views? No, not your right.

Where it would go from there is states vs the USA. If states claim they have this right, the Supreme Court would then have to rule that states do have the right on abortion. Then that at least would be established. We are then back to abortion tourism.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:44 pm

In that scenario, what's to stop the states passing a law outlawing abortion for women resident in that state?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:40 pm

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Re: Abortion USA

Post by JimC » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:15 am

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In that scenario, what's to stop the states passing a law outlawing abortion for women resident in that state?
You mean even if they have an abortion in another state, one where it's legal? It may be hard getting proof of that, if the other state did not cooperate...
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:13 am

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In that scenario, what's to stop the states passing a law outlawing abortion for women resident in that state?
You mean even if they have an abortion in another state, one where it's legal? It may be hard getting proof of that, if the other state did not cooperate...
Proof is secondary, and only needed for prosecution, trial or conviction - the threat of which would be a constant implicit pressure on women. I'm just working with Tero's abortion tourism hypothesis: wondering if a state could outlaw some action carried out legally in another state?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:55 am

What sense does it make to ask what law makers can and cannot do according to today’s law? If the law says they can’t, they’ll just rework it tomorrow.

What are we willing to let them do?

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:20 pm

Kinda my point really.

The reduced harm justification for anti-abortion regs feels mostly hollow in the context of a society that does little to broadly secure and protect children's well-being in other ways. The harm caused to women, as individuals and as the majority gender demographic, is, presumably, a price worth paying to protect those who the State functionally ignores once they're born.
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by JimC » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:12 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
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What sense does it make to ask what law makers can and cannot do according to today’s law? If the law says they can’t, they’ll just rework it tomorrow.

What are we willing to let them do?
If you are referring to law makers in Republican controlled states (and possibly their appointed judges), I cannot see that anything concrete can be done to stop them...
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Re: Abortion USA

Post by Svartalf » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:05 am

I can, but given it likely tramples the Holy Constitution, it might lead to a civil war...
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