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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Svartalf » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:15 pm

So practicing muslims are a polyracial group to a greater extent than Jews... they are still a bunch of racial groups.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Lion IRC » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:25 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
I'd say Islam is a blight. Muslims can be quite pleasant.
I'd rather live next door to a Muslim than an atheist.

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Post by Svartalf » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:29 pm

I'm living in the same home as an atheist and I rather like it.

Oh, and for a troll of your class, that's rather clumsy LionIRC
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Babel » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:47 pm

Svartalf wrote:So practicing muslims are a polyracial group to a greater extent than Jews... they are still a bunch of racial groups.
I'm pretty sure that we agree on that. My gripe with the modnote from Kiore was that, when I asked him about it, that this didn't go for muslim or christians. I don't know if you have been to ratskep lately, but mocking or vilifying christians/muslims isn't acted against. That double standard was what was buggin me.

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:58 pm

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DaveDodo007 wrote: Redwhine got told off for his comment about you in the feedback thread.
Bout time. Redwhine is a the biggest troll in the feedback forum. I have absolutely no idea how he is allowed to get away with his shit. (Well, I have one idea... former Mod status on rdf).
How come I didn't get that privilege?
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:59 pm

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Mr. Samsa wrote:Eh, if it wasn't that comment then they'd just find another to warn me for to get rid of me. They were pissed off that they weren't allowed to permaban me a while back so they've just been racking up bullshit warnings and advice so they can try to make it look justified. If you look at the thread where I got my warning and see some of the comments that went without warning, it's amazing that they somehow singled mine out. There were like 3-4 pages of derail where Cito just kept bringing up posts I'd made elsewhere on the forum and criticising me for them despite having no relevance to the topic.
Ha join the club, they couldn't ban me for rules violations so they started to almost make stuff up (not wanting Muslims immigrants was now racist). Finally perm banned me with only 4 warmings, and I was about to lose two of them :hehe:
They pretty much banned you because you are a douchebag. No one was morning your loss to the forum.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by DaveDodo007 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:05 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:
Redwhine got told off for his comment about you in the feedback thread.
What comment was that?

Yes. (...Between MR.Samsa's ears.)
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by DaveDodo007 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:21 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
Mr. Samsa wrote:Eh, if it wasn't that comment then they'd just find another to warn me for to get rid of me. They were pissed off that they weren't allowed to permaban me a while back so they've just been racking up bullshit warnings and advice so they can try to make it look justified. If you look at the thread where I got my warning and see some of the comments that went without warning, it's amazing that they somehow singled mine out. There were like 3-4 pages of derail where Cito just kept bringing up posts I'd made elsewhere on the forum and criticising me for them despite having no relevance to the topic.
Ha join the club, they couldn't ban me for rules violations so they started to almost make stuff up (not wanting Muslims immigrants was now racist). Finally perm banned me with only 4 warmings, and I was about to lose two of them :hehe:
They pretty much banned you because you are a douchebag. No one was morning your loss to the forum.
So you are fine with the FUA not being followed when it happens to someone who's opinions you don't like. Doesn't that undermine your own position on how the mods behave over there.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Svartalf » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:29 pm

Babel wrote:
Svartalf wrote:So practicing muslims are a polyracial group to a greater extent than Jews... they are still a bunch of racial groups.
I'm pretty sure that we agree on that. My gripe with the modnote from Kiore was that, when I asked him about it, that this didn't go for muslim or christians. I don't know if you have been to ratskep lately, but mocking or vilifying christians/muslims isn't acted against. That double standard was what was buggin me.
They tolerate vilifying of chretins and mussulmans, but not of jews? Interesting double standard.

and no, I'm not a regular at ratskep, the atmosphere just doesn't suit me.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:22 pm

Lion IRC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
I'd say Islam is a blight. Muslims can be quite pleasant.
I'd rather live next door to a Muslim than an atheist.
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by DaveDodo007 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:40 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Lion IRC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
I'd say Islam is a blight. Muslims can be quite pleasant.
I'd rather live next door to a Muslim than an atheist.
Why?
They don't invite him to the roast baby BBQ's the bunch of meanies.
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Post by laklak » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:49 pm

Lion IRC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
I'd say Islam is a blight. Muslims can be quite pleasant.
I'd rather live next door to a Muslim than an atheist.
I'd rather live next door to a cannibalistic serial murderer than you.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Tero » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:02 pm

It's not the religion so much with the muslims as the cultural baggage. Men lose their status and then start reading the Koran in the West to be able boss their women around. African Muslim women are stuck in a culture of genital mutilation that they perform on themselves.

Besides, religion is unnecessary if we have some laws. Just the ones we've had for years. Excluding hanging.

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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by Robert_S » Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:31 pm

Babel wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
which was my point from the start.
Pretending that jews are the only religion that push hard for marriage within the own religion, is not realistic and that would mean that 'muslim' is as much a racial identity as is 'jew'. It's just preferential treatment of one religion.
Ah, but Jews generally don't proselytize. Also, I've never heard of someone claiming to be "half Muslim on my mother's side". Or vigorously denying any Muslim ancestry for that matter.

As far as I understand, Jewishness is as as much about culture and bloodlines than actually believing in a book.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

Post by JimC » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:21 pm

Babel wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Muslims are a fucking blight, though they are even more diverse than Jews... I wouldn't put a Sufi, or a Persian shi'ite in the same bag as a sunni arab, or worse, a salafist or wahhabite.
which was my point from the start.
Pretending that jews are the only religion that push hard for marriage within the own religion, is not realistic and that would mean that 'muslim' is as much a racial identity as is 'jew'. It's just preferential treatment of one religion.
Well, historically they were probably the most successful at marrying within their religion, in comparison to others...
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