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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by Svartalf » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:44 pm

Unless you have evidence similar to that you have for his improprieties with the "charity", you might be going a bit far on that limb, Heather.
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by JimC » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:56 pm

Exactly. I'd stick to the governance and financial issues with RDF, if I were you. There are clearly and objectively some issues there, but when you start going down the path of discussing personal, particularly sexual aspects of RD's behaviour, people will see your campaign as nothing more than a personal grudge, expressed somewhat compulsively...
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Post by lordpasternack » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:31 am

Yes - it's the fact that there's so much interplay between the two. He didn't really try very hard to keep RDF and his personal life separate. There was even a sense in which the secret financial arrangements made for RDF were intended to keep the wool over his wife's eyes.

It was all inappropriately personal, right from the very beginning.

But yes...

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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by Calilasseia » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:57 pm

lordpasternack wrote:Yes - it's the fact that there's so much interplay between the two. He didn't really try very hard to keep RDF and his personal life separate. There was even a sense in which the secret financial arrangements made for RDF were intended to keep the wool over his wife's eyes.

It was all inappropriately personal, right from the very beginning.

But yes...
I am so tempted to ask my boss at the charity I'm involved with, what she thinks of someone setting up a charitable organisation, then using the funds to finance the upkeep of a courtesan. Which is in effect what's happening here.

I suspect my boss will be wheeling out the words "Serious Fraud Squad" in pretty short order.

Mind you, I note with interest a hypothesis that has been presented here, namely, that the enemy, so to speak, is deliberately saying nothing about this, in order to avoid drawing attention to even more serious instances of fraud that they are currently engaged in. It would make at least some sense, with respect to the fact that they're resoundingly silent over this, which in the absence of fraud of their own to hide, doesn't make an atom of sense at all to me.

However, this hypothesis opens up another question. Namely, how egregious does one's abuse of charitable status have to be, before the authorities will move and start handing out prison terms without external prodding? At what level of dishonesty are these people spurred into action? I am probably not the only one here, wondering what largesse I could have helped myself to, if only I'd been shot through with the requisite level of mendacity.

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Post by lordpasternack » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:56 pm

Yeah. For some reason, mistress slush funds aren't normally granted exemption under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS tax code, and aren't usually sanctioned as a permissable purpose of an exempt organisation...
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Post by Hermit » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:11 pm

Now you can take out a subscription to help Dawkins finance ... whatever it is the the foundations funds finance. And look at what you get for your money! Like wow!
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by Robert_S » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:15 pm

That is so sad.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:54 pm

lordpasternack wrote:Let's put it another way - Richard probably has a history of getting himself into sexual relationships loaded with conflict of interest and temptation to professional impropriety. He's probably indulged in a good bit of professional impropriety.

Those kinds of relationships are hard enough to manage responsibly for people who actually have fully developed social skills.
Perhaps he just has a jean-centered view of procreation?






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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by cronus » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:07 pm

I'm guessing The Darwin Circle includes a bottle of champaign en-suite? You could get me for a mere $500 and I'll remove my socks too. :whisper:
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by JimC » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:18 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
lordpasternack wrote:Let's put it another way - Richard probably has a history of getting himself into sexual relationships loaded with conflict of interest and temptation to professional impropriety. He's probably indulged in a good bit of professional impropriety.

Those kinds of relationships are hard enough to manage responsibly for people who actually have fully developed social skills.
Perhaps he just has a jean-centered view of procreation?






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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by klr » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:40 pm

JimC wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
lordpasternack wrote:Let's put it another way - Richard probably has a history of getting himself into sexual relationships loaded with conflict of interest and temptation to professional impropriety. He's probably indulged in a good bit of professional impropriety.

Those kinds of relationships are hard enough to manage responsibly for people who actually have fully developed social skills.
Perhaps he just has a jean-centered view of procreation?






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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by JimC » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:53 pm

Or Shellfish Jean...

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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:13 pm

Erm.....What's happening then?
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by JimC » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:32 pm

Dawkins has converted to Islam, and pronounced a Fatwah against all the members of his old forum...
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Re: For Reason and Science?

Post by laklak » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:36 am

Yeah well but he's a fucking apostate. He's on The List, if you know what I mean. nudge nudge wink wink.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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