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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Thinking Aloud » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:23 pm

pzmyers wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I've reported this thread. PZ Myers is a member here and as such should not be personally attacked.


I've got no complaints here. For a forum that regards rape threats as a reasonable way to criticize someone, I'm being treated kindly. Relatively.


Citation please.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Wumbologist » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:24 pm

pzmyers wrote:I've got no complaints here. For a forum that regards rape threats as a reasonable way to criticize someone, I'm being treated kindly. Relatively.


I find it hard to believe you get any science done with all the time you spend grossly misrepresenting people on the internet.

It's also just more hypocrisy-wallowing. Do carry on.


On the topic of hypocrisy, why are you allowed to make jokes involving rape and murder, and it's totes cool?
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:21 pm

Keep the hat.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Pappa » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:54 pm

Thinking Aloud wrote:
pzmyers wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I've reported this thread. PZ Myers is a member here and as such should not be personally attacked.


I've got no complaints here. For a forum that regards rape threats as a reasonable way to criticize someone, I'm being treated kindly. Relatively.


Citation please.


+1

Also, I'm still wondering where the whole "as a means of suppression" or "silencing tactic" came into it. Yeah, feel free to read that into it if you want, but I definitely didn't say that.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Audley Strange » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:00 pm

Picture if you will you are in a bar with friends. One of your friends makes a nasty joke about a group of annoying fuckers that is in terrible taste. Some fucking nutbag overhears this and then runs out to his clique to start a hate campaign claiming they've been harrassed and victimised by something they would not even know about if it wasn't for the wheedling little cunt who thought it right to be a tittle tattle just to garner approval from a coterie of neurotic fools.

So then all these annoying twats start turning up at the bar, a bunch of condescending, patronising narcissists who start demanding you and your friends apologise to them. While outside the rest of the herd scream and howl in tears of manufactured emotive outrage and bug everyone they can to let them know too that they and their friends were victimised. One of them even thinks it right to EXPOSE the details of your villified friend. One has to ACTUALLY wonder about that person's and intent motivation for doing so.

Is that fair play? Is it fine if I find Rebecca Watson's name and address and start posting it on hardcore S&M hookup sites? Of course it's not, it's a fucking appalling thing to do. Her ideology is as repugnant as her public persona but I would never, nor do I think anyone here would wish any harm on anyone.

If those girls are so weak and fragile, one has to wonder about the sort of exploitative nature of someone knowing that, who deliberately takes something knowing that they will be hurt and offended by it and then allowing them to be hurt and offended by it for his own satisfaction.

Pappa's joke was in bad taste, really really bad taste but P.Z. Myers is exploiting his authoritorial position to delight in ACTUALLY actively hurting young women, by allowing them to see things he knows will hurt them while pretending to be their friend for popularity as he "exposes" the threats against him.

THAT is misogyny, Shit it's nearly a full Bundy level of misogyny.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Audley Strange » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:00 pm

Picture if you will you are in a bar with friends. One of your friends makes a nasty joke about a group of annoying fuckers that is in terrible taste. Some fucking nutbag overhears this and then runs out to his clique to start a hate campaign claiming they've been harrassed and victimised by something they would not even know about if it wasn't for the wheedling little cunt who thought it right to be a tittle tattle just to garner approval from a coterie of neurotic fools.

So then all these annoying twats start turning up at the bar, a bunch of condescending, patronising narcissists who start demanding you and your friends apologise to them. While outside the rest of the herd scream and howl in tears of manufactured emotive outrage and bug everyone they can to let them know too that they and their friends were victimised. One of them even thinks it right to EXPOSE the details of your villified friend. One has to ACTUALLY wonder about that person's and intent motivation for doing so.

Is that fair play? Is it fine if I find Rebecca Watson's name and address and start posting it on hardcore S&M hookup sites? Of course it's not, it's a fucking appalling thing to do. Her ideology is as repugnant as her public persona but I would never, nor do I think anyone here would wish any harm on anyone.

If those girls are so weak and fragile, one has to wonder about the sort of exploitative nature of someone knowing that, who deliberately takes something knowing that they will be hurt and offended by it and then allowing them to be hurt and offended by it for his own satisfaction.

Pappa's joke was in bad taste, really really bad taste but P.Z. Myers is exploiting his authoritorial position to delight in ACTUALLY actively hurting young women, by allowing them to see things he knows will hurt them while pretending to be their friend for popularity as he "exposes" the threats against him.

THAT is misogyny, Shit it's nearly a full Bundy level of misogyny.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby pzmyers » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:35 pm

A nest of cockroaches isn't filthy and unhygienic. Turning on the light and exposing a nest of cockroaches...now that's evil and disgusting.

There, see. I said the same thing you did, only with more brevity and panache.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Ian » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm

Sounds like we have a new name for our forum! Nest of Cockroaches! :cheer:
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:39 pm

Ian wrote:Sounds like we have a new name for our forum! Nest of Cockroaches! :cheer:

We could market a game? Tie-in with Burger King? A line of chocies?
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Bella Fortuna » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:42 pm

Thank you for going out of your way to come impart that important information.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Twoflower » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:46 pm

You really are clueless aren't you PZ?
I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby DaveD » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:47 pm

pzmyers wrote:A nest of cockroaches isn't filthy and unhygienic. Turning on the light and exposing a nest of cockroaches...now that's evil and disgusting.

There, see. I said the same thing you did, only with more brevity and panache.

So there!
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Wumbologist » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:48 pm

pzmyers wrote:A nest of cockroaches isn't filthy and unhygienic. Turning on the light and exposing a nest of cockroaches...now that's evil and disgusting.

There, see. I said the same thing you did, only with more brevity and panache.


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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Badger3k » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:51 pm

That's it? PZ - considering you have joked about mass murder in Aurora and Offically Sanctioned male rape in Texas, when you're asked for citations, it is normal to provide them. It is not an excuse to ban people. I know that's what's done at your site, but please provide evidence of either rape threats or the condoning of such.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Postby Badger3k » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:52 pm

Badger3k wrote:That's it? PZ - considering you have joked about mass murder in Aurora and Offically Sanctioned male rape in Texas, when you're asked for citations, it is normal to provide them. It is not an excuse to ban people. I know that's what's done at your site, but please provide evidence of either rape threats or the condoning of such.


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