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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Post by Kristie » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:58 pm

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pzmyers wrote:I really, really recommend that you read Audley Strange's comment carefully. My summary was dead on. He literally said that tasteless, offensive jokes that attack a group aren't the problem, but that criticizing the people who say misogynistic jokes is "Bundy level of misogyny".

If you can't see the problem with that, you're more hopeless than I thought.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:59 pm

PZ, remember those two roaches that have you a ride to the Creation Museum near Springfield last Skepticon?

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Post by Wumbologist » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:00 am

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Talk TO him next time. He might respond.
I won't hold my breath. I haven't seen anything thus far that indicates that he is looking for anything more than opportunities to twist words and misrepresent. He's had plenty of opportunity to engage in a rational discussion.

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Post by Robert_S » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:12 am

With all of our usual snark.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Post by SteveB » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:14 am

Femmandment the 8th:

POISON THAT FUCKING WELL. JUST POISON IT! THINK LATER!
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:23 am

It bums me out that I missed a little drama, but while we're here, let me just say that if you're surprised that there was sexism in the 60s,PZ, let me know when you start looking into the racism prevalent in the Antebellum South. I want to see that froth. It should be quite the show.

Also, I'd like to see a link to the rape comment too, so I can judge for myself. Can anyone help a brotha out?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:23 am

PZ to TXT for trolling.

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Post by Robert_S » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:24 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:It bums me out that I missed a little drama, but while we're here, let me just say that if you're surprised that there was sexism in the 60s, let me know when you start looking into the racism prevalent in the Antebellum South. I think you've got a little studying to do.

Also, I'd like to see a link to the rape comment too, so I can judge for myself. Can anyone help a brotha out?
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=38220
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:26 am

Thanks, Rob.
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:31 am

I'd tell PZ not to get his panties in a wad, except that I'm sure he'd excoriate me for not being sufficiently sensitive to his taste for cross-dressing.
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:50 am

Goddamnit all, now, reading through that thread, I'm really pissed that I missed it.

eta: Reading the responses at PZ's blog is disheartening. When did the mass of "freethinkers" become so regimented in their panegyrics?
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Post by charlou » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:51 am

pzmyers wrote:I really, really recommend that you read Audley Strange's comment carefully. My summary was dead on. He literally said that tasteless, offensive jokes that attack a group aren't the problem, but that criticizing the people who say misogynistic jokes is "Bundy level of misogyny".

If you can't see the problem with that, you're more hopeless than I thought.
I read it and I can see the problem with it clearly. The problem is with your tactics, and he's right in pointing them out.


I had and still have no problem with Pappa's 'joke'. I find it a highly sarcastic comment on the ridiculously ott negative, fear mongering attitude that most vocal Skepchicks have towards men (which, as Audley Strange pointed out, you are feeding, and feeding from). It has been branded a bad joke, but most seem to have missed the point, and unable to appreciate the sophisticated irony of it.
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Post by charlou » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:54 am

Edited my post above.
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Post by hadespussercats » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:59 am

Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Pappa wrote:
pzmyers wrote:A nest of cockroaches isn't filthy and unhygienic. Turning on the light and exposing a nest of cockroaches...now that's evil and disgusting.

There, see. I said the same thing you did, only with more brevity and panache.
I wish you could see your grandiose self-importance from the outside. Your proclamations are like fatwas and your opinions about the rationalist/atheist community are embarrassing.
Pappa, STFU!

You fucking knew, or should have known better than to make that thread. Even thought the OP came from FTB, it is a thread on our forum calling a person a racist.

You are calling out someone on their tone in a thread calling them a racist!!!

FOR FUCK'S SAKE STOP DIGGING!!!

I don't recall you posting very heavily in CES's threads on the Skepchics. You fucking trolled a group of people and now want to complain about the tone their friends take. You knew damn well that was provocative and would get a reaction.
I'm free to criticise whoever I like if I do it without breaking the rules.
As am I. My request carries no official weight. PZ is also free to say all kinds of things about this forum on his site as long as it doesn't break any laws or the rules of where he posts them. Is that the standard?

That we have the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it!
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Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

Post by Robert_S » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:05 am

I don't hate anyone.

I'm just very very angry.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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