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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:42 pm

Śiva wrote:
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DaveDodo007 wrote:Jesus Fucking Christ, do I really have to explain your own tactics to you. :fp:
I've never claimed to be anything other than a genius. :tea:
In what so I may inquire? Listen and believing, well the religious have you beat in that score. Countering your opponents points as I have yet to see it. The West needs more feminism as if there isn't enough left wing idiocy to go around. You do realize that your goal is the West ends up like Sweden or Iceland and how fucked up will we be if that happens? Hey lets call Putin a big meanie as I'm sure that will stop his shenanigans. Fuck me, all Russia has to do at the moment is update their facebook status to invading the UK and then send some rape and death threats over tweeter and you bed wetting liberals would be running up the white flag in no time at all. All male feminists are self loathing mangina faggots, pathetic poor excuses to men everywhere. Fuck man hating feminists as you are utter utter cunts the lot of you.
You move back to square one like it's a GOTO 10 line in the BASIC of your mind..

Let's try again? Why do you say feminists are 'man hating'?
OK, #killallmen, I bathe in male tears, manslaining and manspreading just a couple of examples that have nothing to do with gender equality. Do you really need a list because this whole thread is full of them and in future I will be posting many examples of the ideological nature of feminism. Stay tuned to this thread.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:44 pm

Oh come on.. we just did this! Do you have chronic amnesia?

Yes, fine a bloody list. What are the crimes of feminism. A list sir, a list! I demand a list of allegations.

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:56 am

From my perspective, it's not "crimes" of feminism, it's that Marxism has infected feminism. The language of prominent feminist writers treats sex as if they are "classes" in a Marxist sense. And, it can be decidedly anticapitalist.
But there’s a difference between arguing for equality in capitalism, and trying to change our economic system as we know it. Feminism isn’t only about equality; it’s about believing that you can alter the status quo, and feminism has deep historical connections with socialism/Marxism/anarchism.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... ove-story/
I’m not an economist. This isn’t meant to be an entire structural analysis of how class and gender intersect.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... ove-story/

When you hear feminists talking about restructuring systems within our society, the details seem to lean towards dismantling capitalism (not just ridding ourselves of crony capitalism and the marriage of capitalism and government that raises the ire of both the left and the right, but the whole idea of private property and the predominantly private ownership of the means of production). You hear proposals for "wages" to be paid for women (not men, of course) to clean their houses, wash their clothes and and care for the children they choose to have. You hear a lot of references to "intersectional" feminism, which combines the "oppressed class" and identity politics concepts to include not just women, but minorities, all in the name of being oppressed classes against the bourgeois.

You see public demands for female privilege -- "women speak first" policies in university classrooms being applauded and supported in feminist circles.

And, there are these bizarre recasting of the English language to create an oppression where there is privilege. In areas where men are supposedly privileged, we are really privileged by the patriarchy and this oppresses women. Where women are supposedly privileged, this is not privilege by the patriarchy or a matriarchy. No. This is "benevolent sexism" which even though it privileges women, it is really an oppression of women by the patriarchy! Wallah! We have turned a privilege into oppression by inventing a new term and calling black, white.

Women are 60% of the college students now in western countries. They get most of the scholarships, and can even get sex-based preferenced scholarships. They get most of the financial aid. They get affirmative action. And, they get, naturally, far more degrees than men as a result.

Feminism, also, is about equality in some areas, but not others. Why are 99% of sanitation workers men? And, even when women are considered sanitation workers, they aren't picking up the trash. The men are. The women tend to drive the truck. Why are 99% of coal miners men? And, are women are are considered coal miners actually doing coal mining? Or, are they operating shuttle cars and such?

Men are 100% of deep sea fishermen, 100% of electrical power line installers, 100% of roughnecks on oil rigs.

Roofers
Auto mechanics.
HVAC mechanics.
Metal fabricators
Aircraft mainenance workers
Construction workers

Road crews on highway projects -- who holds the traffic control signs and who spreads the asphalt?

Men make up 93% of workplace fatalities. And, they do the dangerous, dirty and unsavory work in the western world. Feminists don't generally call for gender equality in these jobs. I've never heard them say that it's about time we stopped the patriarchal system which prevents women from being roofers. Sometimes you hear them exempt these kinds of things from the patriarchal systems that control everything else. Yes, yes, the patriarchy keeps women out of the boardroom, but not garbage collecting.

Modern feminists - mainstream ones - talk about how men are privileged and women oppressed. If women were 93% of workplace fatalities, what would be the general reaction? What would we be hearing from feminists? If women were twice as likely as men to commit suicide, what would feminists be calling for? If women were most of the prison population, and were far more likely to be convicted and serve jail time for the same crimes as men, what would be the feminist reaction? If women were subject to the draft, but men not, what would be the reaction? If women were most of the homeless population, what would be the reaction?

DaveDodo's rhetoric may be excessive here, but when you think about it -- is feminism really about "equality?" Or, is it moreso the advancement of women ON THE GROUNDS OF equality to men. I.e., they are advancing women's interest, ostensibly because women are not equal to men in our society. However, when you look at many areas of society, women are privileged over men. What they do, then, is reverse the definition - and anywhere that women are privileged, it is not a privilege at all, it's really a different kind of oppression and "men are hurt by sexism against women, too..." But, really, the reality is that men really are not privileged - certainly not legally, and not socially either.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by laklak » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:44 pm

Śiva wrote:If you're done flashing us your ranties, you naughty boy, tell us again why feminists are man haters.
Penis envy, obviously. Who wouldn't want a penis? I love my penis, it's my most prized possession. I'll lend it to people, but don't try to take it from me. I'm strapped, man, like, locked and loaded.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Jason » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:39 pm

That's no list. That's a short essay.

Could you put it in point form for a stupid guy like me?

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Forty Two » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:06 pm

Śiva wrote:That's no list. That's a short essay.

Could you put it in point form for a stupid guy like me?
One, feminism claims to be just about equality for everyone; however, feminism is not egalitarianism. Feminism is the advancement of women ON THE GROUNDS OF equality to men. The assumption is that women are underprivileged, when in fact there are many areas where women are privileged over men in our culture. So, the issue is that as an "ism" it's often misrepresented to be nothing more than mere egalitarianism, when it isn't that.

Two, feminism claims to be about equality to men. if feminism were truly about "equality" then as many articles and books would be written about getting women into RSGCCM (Roofing-Siding-Garbage Collection and Coal Mining) as in STEM. Why the focus on STEM? We have far more women in STEM than in RSGCCM. So, why aren't feminists demanding representation among roofers, siders, garbage collectors and coal miners? Because it's not about "equality" with men. It's about the ADVANCEMENT of women. Feminism doesn't have a platform for doing away with women's privilege over men (in the areas where women have such privilege). Rather, femnism merely hand-waves that privilege away, recasting it as just another form of oppression caused by the patriarchy.

Three, feminism often touts bogus statistics to support its ideological positions, such as the 77 cents on the dollar stat (for the same job with similar qualifications/experience) and the 1 in 4 college women are sexually assaulted stat. These are hogwash, and yet feminism continues to sell these stats as truth, and there are many others. We even see feminists hand-wave away the evidence that these stats are bogus by simply demanding that women's "lived experiences" be believed.

Four, "listen and believe" mentality is outrageous, and the notion that women should just be believed when they make a statement or an allegation is preposterous. It's not only preposterous, but it is fostering a climate where notions of due process and such are being thrown out the window.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:17 am

Forty Two wrote:
Śiva wrote:That's no list. That's a short essay.

Could you put it in point form for a stupid guy like me?
One, feminism claims to be just about equality for everyone; however, feminism is not egalitarianism. Feminism is the advancement of women ON THE GROUNDS OF equality to men. The assumption is that women are underprivileged, when in fact there are many areas where women are privileged over men in our culture. So, the issue is that as an "ism" it's often misrepresented to be nothing more than mere egalitarianism, when it isn't that.

Two, feminism claims to be about equality to men. if feminism were truly about "equality" then as many articles and books would be written about getting women into RSGCCM (Roofing-Siding-Garbage Collection and Coal Mining) as in STEM. Why the focus on STEM? We have far more women in STEM than in RSGCCM. So, why aren't feminists demanding representation among roofers, siders, garbage collectors and coal miners? Because it's not about "equality" with men. It's about the ADVANCEMENT of women. Feminism doesn't have a platform for doing away with women's privilege over men (in the areas where women have such privilege). Rather, femnism merely hand-waves that privilege away, recasting it as just another form of oppression caused by the patriarchy.

Three, feminism often touts bogus statistics to support its ideological positions, such as the 77 cents on the dollar stat (for the same job with similar qualifications/experience) and the 1 in 4 college women are sexually assaulted stat. These are hogwash, and yet feminism continues to sell these stats as truth, and there are many others. We even see feminists hand-wave away the evidence that these stats are bogus by simply demanding that women's "lived experiences" be believed.

Four, "listen and believe" mentality is outrageous, and the notion that women should just be believed when they make a statement or an allegation is preposterous. It's not only preposterous, but it is fostering a climate where notions of due process and such are being thrown out the window.
It has been shown again and again that feminism is just Cultural Marxism with men replacing the bourgeois, it's postmodernism rite large but loads of 'skeptics' and 'rationalists' buy into that bullshit. You can't debate ideologues because they are true believers so I simply made this thread to mock the shit out of the gullible morons.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Jason » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:14 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:It has been shown again and again that feminism is just Cultural Marxism with men replacing the bourgeois, it's postmodernism rite large but loads of 'skeptics' and 'rationalists' buy into that bullshit. You can't debate ideologues because they are true believers so I simply made this thread to mock the shit out of the gullible morons.
Whatever you say chief. Do you have that list you threatened me with or should I assume forty two speaks for you from now on?

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Jason » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:59 am

Forty Two wrote:
Śiva wrote:That's no list. That's a short essay.

Could you put it in point form for a stupid guy like me?
One, feminism claims to be just about equality for everyone; however, feminism is not egalitarianism. Feminism is the advancement of women ON THE GROUNDS OF equality to men. The assumption is that women are underprivileged, when in fact there are many areas where women are privileged over men in our culture. So, the issue is that as an "ism" it's often misrepresented to be nothing more than mere egalitarianism, when it isn't that.

Two, feminism claims to be about equality to men. if feminism were truly about "equality" then as many articles and books would be written about getting women into RSGCCM (Roofing-Siding-Garbage Collection and Coal Mining) as in STEM. Why the focus on STEM? We have far more women in STEM than in RSGCCM. So, why aren't feminists demanding representation among roofers, siders, garbage collectors and coal miners? Because it's not about "equality" with men. It's about the ADVANCEMENT of women. Feminism doesn't have a platform for doing away with women's privilege over men (in the areas where women have such privilege). Rather, femnism merely hand-waves that privilege away, recasting it as just another form of oppression caused by the patriarchy.

Three, feminism often touts bogus statistics to support its ideological positions, such as the 77 cents on the dollar stat (for the same job with similar qualifications/experience) and the 1 in 4 college women are sexually assaulted stat. These are hogwash, and yet feminism continues to sell these stats as truth, and there are many others. We even see feminists hand-wave away the evidence that these stats are bogus by simply demanding that women's "lived experiences" be believed.

Four, "listen and believe" mentality is outrageous, and the notion that women should just be believed when they make a statement or an allegation is preposterous. It's not only preposterous, but it is fostering a climate where notions of due process and such are being thrown out the window.
If I were to sum up your points in one sentence like "Feminism misrepresents its goal, falsifies data, and fosters a spirit of credulousness, to further its agenda - the advancement of women" would I be accurate?

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:52 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:

It has been shown again and again that feminism is just Cultural Marxism with men replacing the bourgeois...
There is probably some truth in this when talking about many academic marxists writing "feminist" polemics from Universities. However, their leftist diatribes are not the whole of feminism (even though they probably consider it to be so in their arrogance...)
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:20 pm

Sælir wrote:
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Sælir wrote:I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved :tea:
I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait. :bored:
No, you didn't miss it. All I needed to do was read what you wrote and how you answered those that answered you.
You are not looking for anybody to prove you wrong. You don't listen to those that answer you. All you do is repeat yourself over and over again with your disgusting hate of feminism.

Therefore I see absolutely no point in answering you.

Most people know that feminists are in general not the way you describe them. Telling you that would to be a waste of time since you don't listen.
I am very sorry for you. Something horrible must have happened to you and you have decided to pin that on all feminists. :console:
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:37 pm

Śiva wrote: You'd have to get DaveDodo007 back to answer that. He's the one tarring all of feminism with a single brushstroke, not us good Ratzians. I think I scared him away by being patient and genuine with him though.
This is actually the truth of it. It goes this way every time. When you manage to calm him down and get him sober and actually ask him calm detailed questions, he disappears for a couple of weeks. Then he comes back and just starts up with the same ranting and raving again without addressing any of the calm critical points. When called on this, he claims he's been busy or went on a drunken bender. Amazing how it coincides every time with a case of someone deciding to give him his 63rd chance to answer some questions in a clam and non-ranty way.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:46 pm

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JimC wrote:Such an outstanding example of calm, rational analysis... :roll:
Erm..Show me were I claimed my ranting was rational analysis, Don't get me wrong when it comes to critical thinking I can blow you lefties out of the water but my rants are pure theatre and you should be honoured to be the target of them. :dance:
The point we keep trying to make to you is that you are hypocritical for accusing others of ad homs. YOU are the master of ad homs (behind myself, of course :p ). Your whole posting history is a sequence of non sequiturs. Successive posts have no relation to previous posts, whether separated by large amounts of time or short amounts of time. Most of us (including you) put it down to being utterly wasted while posting. Tell us, why should we take you seriously when you yourself describe yourself as a "retard" and a 'drunkard'??
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:42 pm

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JimC wrote:Such an outstanding example of calm, rational analysis... :roll:
Erm..Show me were I claimed my ranting was rational analysis, Don't get me wrong when it comes to critical thinking I can blow you lefties out of the water but my rants are pure theatre and you should be honoured to be the target of them. :dance:
The point we keep trying to make to you is that you are hypocritical for accusing others of ad homs. YOU are the master of ad homs (behind myself, of course :p ). Your whole posting history is a sequence of non sequiturs. Successive posts have no relation to previous posts, whether separated by large amounts of time or short amounts of time. Most of us (including you) put it down to being utterly wasted while posting. Tell us, why should we take you seriously when you yourself describe yourself as a "retard" and a 'drunkard'??
No, it is you and most people posting here on this thread that don't get the point. The whole thread is about mocking feminism, that's it, end of. If you want to go to the politics part of the forum and create a "Why feminism is still relevant in the 21th century Western countries." Please feel free to do so. Why should I take anyone seriously who believes women are oppressed in the Western democracies, keep quoting the 'wage gap' myth long after it has been debunked a thousand times. Believe the 1 in 5 women are raped at university/colleges, people should just 'listen and believe' rape accusations and fuck due process. Not to mention Patriarchy, privilege, rape culture. Fucking manslaining, manspreading, ban bossy, free bleeding the stupidity just goes on and on. The fact that they are humourless puritans who want to ban anything that's fun is just the icing on the cake.

It is like arguing with creationists and climate change deniers what's the point. As for the 'I'm a retard' I find people who argue on the Internet are retards, even more so when they think they are a genius. I just own the label.

Edit: I forgot (as feminists come out with so much bullcrap) 'toxic masculinity' and 'toxic testosterone' how is that not male hating as it appears we males are born toxic. Jeez.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Jason » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:02 pm

The wage gap is not debunked. It is real. At least here in Canada.
It is also possible to measure the gender wage gap on the basis of hourly wages. The most recent Statistics Canada data (2011) shows that the gender wage gap in Ontario is 26% for full–time, full–year workers. This means that for every $1.00 earned by a male worker, a female worker earns 74 cents.

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