Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

[DaveDodo007]

I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved

I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait.

[Sælir]

I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved

I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait.

No, you didn't miss it. All I needed to do was read what you wrote and how you answered those that answered you.
You are not looking for anybody to prove you wrong. You don't listen to those that answer you. All you do is repeat yourself over and over again with your disgusting hate of feminism.

Therefore I see absolutely no point in answering you.

Most people know that feminists are in general not the way you describe them. Telling you that would to be a waste of time since you don't listen.
I am very sorry for you. Something horrible must have happened to you and you have decided to pin that on all feminists.

[Hermit]

I think there is room for agreement here on this thread.

There are many many Christians, and the great majority of them are not, in fact, Creationists. Anglicans, Catholics, and other denominations are expressly not creationists, viewing Genesis as metaphorical. And, many Christian denominations leave beliefs about the origin of the universe to be a function of science and individual conscience, which makes sense because there is nothing in Christian dogma that requires a "literal" interpretation of the Book of Genesis.

However, we can certainly lambaste Creationists all day long, and nobody wrings their hands over whether folks are sully "all Christians" with that minority belief.

The same goes for feminism. The majority of "feminists" are, it seems to me, rather milquetoast, just like the majority of Christians. I suspect most feminists are of the mind that what is desired is equal treatment under the law for women and men, irrespective of sex. The problem is Creationists and so called radical feminists are the loud and leading parts of their respective groups. Creationists publish and talk more, argue more, and argue loudest.

With you so far. I don't think radical feminists take cover under the "moderate" notion of "all feminism means is equal rights, what's so wrong with that." though.

[Brian Peacock]

The only reason most ratz members are atheist are is that they were not brought up in a religious household because they have no clue to what skepticism is.

That's not my experience with most ratz I've talked to. Not many were raised in as strong of an evangelical Christian background as I was but most were brought up in religious households of some form or another. But, yeah, that's just my experience from having actual conversations with people...

So they rejected religion but kept their authoritarian mind set, that figures.

You can be as disingenuous as you like here. So keep it up, it's the only thing you have going for you.

[DaveDodo007]

I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved

I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait.

No, you didn't miss it. All I needed to do was read what you wrote and how you answered those that answered you.
You are not looking for anybody to prove you wrong. You don't listen to those that answer you. All you do is repeat yourself over and over again with your disgusting hate of feminism.

Therefore I see absolutely no point in answering you.

Most people know that feminists are in general not the way you describe them. Telling you that would to be a waste of time since you don't listen.
I am very sorry for you. Something horrible must have happened to you and you have decided to pin that on all feminists.

Lol,I'm just a sinner who just wants to sin, like I said it is 2008 all over again. Nobody but nobody could ever have a problem with my religion eva!!!!. Seriously who thinks like this, who believes they have reach the prefect paradigm and no more questions need to be asked. Well cults do and that is what I'm seeing here.

[DaveDodo007]

The only reason most ratz members are atheist are is that they were not brought up in a religious household because they have no clue to what skepticism is.

That's not my experience with most ratz I've talked to. Not many were raised in as strong of an evangelical Christian background as I was but most were brought up in religious households of some form or another. But, yeah, that's just my experience from having actual conversations with people...

So they rejected religion but kept their authoritarian mind set, that figures.

You can be as disingenuous as you like here. So keep it up, it's the only thing you have going for you.

So the only thing I have going for me is to be insulted with a few shaming tactics thrown in for good measure, woe is me. How about addressing my points and being honest with yourself. Is that to much to ask, seems as you are nothing but a cult member. Jeez.

[DaveDodo007]

I think there is room for agreement here on this thread.

There are many many Christians, and the great majority of them are not, in fact, Creationists. Anglicans, Catholics, and other denominations are expressly not creationists, viewing Genesis as metaphorical. And, many Christian denominations leave beliefs about the origin of the universe to be a function of science and individual conscience, which makes sense because there is nothing in Christian dogma that requires a "literal" interpretation of the Book of Genesis.

However, we can certainly lambaste Creationists all day long, and nobody wrings their hands over whether folks are sully "all Christians" with that minority belief.

The same goes for feminism. The majority of "feminists" are, it seems to me, rather milquetoast, just like the majority of Christians. I suspect most feminists are of the mind that what is desired is equal treatment under the law for women and men, irrespective of sex. The problem is Creationists and so called radical feminists are the loud and leading parts of their respective groups. Creationists publish and talk more, argue more, and argue loudest.

With you so far. I don't think radical feminists take cover under the "moderate" notion of "all feminism means is equal rights, what's so wrong with that." though.

Well it is a motte and bailey defence for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_castle

[DaveDodo007]

Jesus Fucking Christ, just show me were you ratz members have called out 'radical' feminism as I can't find it anywhere on this site? If you ever did that then you may have a point, you didn't so you don't get to claim it exists here. Feminists can spout all the usual man hate and they do it with nobs on and never get called out on it. Though if anybody calls feminism out on their man hate you are all fired up on defending it, doesn't any of this register with any of you, would you be willing to defend anything else showing the same bigotry. Good job you lot were not around in 1960's America because any challenge to the status quo would have met with short shift with you members of a 'rational' site. Critical thinking and rational thought seems lost on you, I don't know how anybody here will cope without the main stream media telling what you should think. Anyway continue with th name calling and shaming tactics and logical fallacies as it is all you have. Far be it from me to point out that you are a load of gullible morons as it might upset your 'rationism.'

[Sælir]

I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved

I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait.

No, you didn't miss it. All I needed to do was read what you wrote and how you answered those that answered you.
You are not looking for anybody to prove you wrong. You don't listen to those that answer you. All you do is repeat yourself over and over again with your disgusting hate of feminism.

Therefore I see absolutely no point in answering you.

Most people know that feminists are in general not the way you describe them. Telling you that would to be a waste of time since you don't listen.
I am very sorry for you. Something horrible must have happened to you and you have decided to pin that on all feminists.

Lol,I'm just a sinner who just wants to sin, like I said it is 2008 all over again. Nobody but nobody could ever have a problem with my religion eva!!!!. Seriously who thinks like this, who believes they have reach the prefect paradigm and no more questions need to be asked. Well cults do and that is what I'm seeing here.

I obviously think I have reached the perfect paradigm in that women and men should be equal. If that makes me some sort of cult member in your eyes then I will just have to live with that (though it will be hard for my poor feminine soul)

[Brian Peacock]

It's all about tone Sælir. If we're not making the right noises for Ddd7 then we might as well be man hating ball busting enablers of the Matriarchy. This farce just doesn't work without that dichotomy.

[DaveDodo007]

I am starting to think that all of those crazy feminists that Dave talks about (all apparently) have met him personally and that is the reason they hate men. They, like Dave, just project his behaviour on all men like he does with feminists.
Case solved

I must have missed your opposition to all those radfems (to which you disagree with) on here. So please cite them for me. I'll wait.

No, you didn't miss it. All I needed to do was read what you wrote and how you answered those that answered you.
You are not looking for anybody to prove you wrong. You don't listen to those that answer you. All you do is repeat yourself over and over again with your disgusting hate of feminism.

Therefore I see absolutely no point in answering you.

Most people know that feminists are in general not the way you describe them. Telling you that would to be a waste of time since you don't listen.
I am very sorry for you. Something horrible must have happened to you and you have decided to pin that on all feminists.

Lol,I'm just a sinner who just wants to sin, like I said it is 2008 all over again. Nobody but nobody could ever have a problem with my religion eva!!!!. Seriously who thinks like this, who believes they have reach the prefect paradigm and no more questions need to be asked. Well cults do and that is what I'm seeing here.

I obviously think I have reached the perfect paradigm in that women and men should be equal. If that makes me some sort of cult member in your eyes then I will just have to live with that (though it will be hard for my poor feminine soul)

Show me anywhere that I have claimed women shouldn't have equal rights along with gays, bi's and transgender people. Though keep beating that strawman erm strawperson whatever. That doesn't stop me pointing out that feminism is a man hating cult otherwise why are feminist so transphobic?

[DaveDodo007]

It's all about tone Sælir. If we're not making the right noises for Ddd7 then we might as well be man hating ball busting enablers of the Matriarchy. This farce just doesn't work without that dichotomy.

Most people agree with equal rights for all except the traditionalist and extreme religious who are both retards. Feminism doesn't own equality rights and is for anything but that. If you care about equality for all then be an eqalitarian or you are full of shit.

[Sælir]

That doesn't stop me pointing out that feminism is a man hating cult otherwise why are feminist so transphobic?

Why would you say this? Why on earth do you assume feminists are transphobic?
Is it because some women who claim they are feminists say so?
The core of feminism is equality so I would argue that those that are transphobic and don't want trans people to have the same rights could in fact not be feminists.

Generalising about people is a seriously stupid thing to do.
If a man beats his wife but says he is a republican should I assume that all republicans beat their wives?

But, then again, you are not looking to do much aside from spewing hate so there isn't really any need for you to answer me.

[Forty Two]

That doesn't stop me pointing out that feminism is a man hating cult otherwise why are feminist so transphobic?

Why would you say this? Why on earth do you assume feminists are transphobic?
Is it because some women who claim they are feminists say so?

Well, yeah, because the only way to know what feminists think is to listen to what they say. Why would you assume that feminists aren't transphobic, if some women who claim to be feminists say so? Which feminists are the proper feminists?

The core of feminism is equality so I would argue that those that are transphobic and don't want trans people to have the same rights could in fact not be feminists.

The core of feminism is the advocacy and advancement of women's rights. If it was about equality, arguably it would be about the advancement of equal rights. But, that's not what the philosophy is.

Generalising about people is a seriously stupid thing to do.

Well, when speaking about an "ism" how can any discussion be had without generalizations? And, by stating what you think the "core" is, aren't you generalizing just as much?

If a man beats his wife but says he is a republican should I assume that all republicans beat their wives?

No, but if a man who is an avowed Republican, perhaps having written some books on Republicanism and being published in major publications on issues of Republicanism, writes a piece about Republicanism and what it means and what its pillars, goals and principles are, then it may not be unreasonable to accept his view as representative of at least some significant faction of Republicanism.

If, say, Marco Rubio makes a pronouncement on the Republican position on abortion, then can we take seriously the notion that his view is consistent with Republicanism?

There certainly are, for example, pro-choice Republicans. Should we then say "don't take those pro-Life Republicans seriously, because you can't generalize. Republicans are Pro-Choice too, therefore you can't say that Republicanism means pro-Life?"

If avowed feminist after avowed feminist presents or proposes ideas that are decided unequal in their application, then is there any point at which we can say that feminism is not really all that much about equality?

[DaveDodo007]

Feminist only caring about equality again.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11 ... ys-victim/

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1403501 ... _protests/

Read the dictionary definition again as feminism is all about equal rights.


Male suicide in York amongst highest in England.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13879425.display/

Reply to students who complained about men's rights day being cancelled. this is the email that was sent out to York university students, they are not even hiding it any more.

http://i.imgur.com/p1kXP0G.png

and for good measure.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... feminists/

Though keep listening and believing and to hell with facts, evidence, science and reality. I swear if feminism had a Goddess you lot would in in her temple on your hands and knees, praying and speaking in tongues. Skeptics FTW.