Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

[Forty Two]

What views represent the typical feminist?

[Hermit]

What views represent the typical feminist?

"man hating is an honourable and viable political act"?
"put men in concentratio camps"?
"reduce male population to the 10%"?
"castration day"?
et cetera

Is that your view of the typical feminist as well?

[JimC]

What views represent the typical feminist?

Remember, we're talking "typical feminist according to Dave the Dodo..."

[Forty Two]

What views represent the typical feminist?

Remember, we're talking "typical feminist according to Dave the Dodo..."

The question still stands.

[Jason]

Is there such a thing as a typical feminist? Or are we extracting general principles from a heuristic analysis of all known faces of feminism?

I'd like to think that power-parity is the common principle in all but the most extreme brands of feminism - not power-equality, but parity that acknowledges, celebrates, and operates within the boundaries of our sexual differences.

[JimC]

What views represent the typical feminist?

Remember, we're talking "typical feminist according to Dave the Dodo..."

The question still stands.

Do you mean a question in general, or do you mean the question to be specific to that misogynist cartoon?

[Brian Peacock]

What views represent the typical feminist?

I don't know. What do you think they are, or might be?

[Forty Two]

What views represent the typical feminist?

I don't know. What do you think they are, or might be?

It probably depends on if you're talking about a person who doesn't think much about it, and just thinks feminism equates to egalitarianism, versus an activist who is advancing the cause of feminism. The major activists that publish and write on the topic do not appear particularly focused on equality. I'm a feminist if it means basic equality of the sexes under the law. However, the problem is that most prominent feminists either go beyond that, or think that preferences toward the female sex is necessary in order to effectuate equality.

For example, I've heard feminists publish and speak opening, and with good reception from their audiences, that women should speak first at conferences or in a college classroom, and that if there is to be a panel discussion occurring and women don't make up half the panel, then the discussion should terminate. This was advocated by a feminist college professor at Dalhousie, a Canadian university - professor Haivens, I think. I've seen feminists publish screeds demanding that the State pay for tampons for women. I've seen policies seriously proposed that men should be taxed more or paid less than women for the same job with the same qualifications and experience. I've seen feminists say that rape occurs any time sexual intercourse occurs which has not been initiated by the woman out of her own genuine afection and desire. I have heard feminists claim that due process and the presumption of innocence are concepts that are outdated and inapplicable to the crime of rape.

I suspect the "leading" feminist writers and commentators take cover under "moderate" feminism. The moderates think we're talking about equality. The leading voices, and public commentators and writers on the topic are concerned with much more than that.

[JimC]

What views represent the typical feminist?

I don't know. What do you think they are, or might be?

It probably depends on if you're talking about a person who doesn't think much about it, and just thinks feminism equates to egalitarianism, versus an activist who is advancing the cause of feminism. The major activists that publish and write on the topic do not appear particularly focused on equality. I'm a feminist if it means basic equality of the sexes under the law. However, the problem is that most prominent feminists either go beyond that, or think that preferences toward the female sex is necessary in order to effectuate equality.

For example, I've heard feminists publish and speak opening, and with good reception from their audiences, that women should speak first at conferences or in a college classroom, and that if there is to be a panel discussion occurring and women don't make up half the panel, then the discussion should terminate. This was advocated by a feminist college professor at Dalhousie, a Canadian university - professor Haivens, I think. I've seen feminists publish screeds demanding that the State pay for tampons for women. I've seen policies seriously proposed that men should be taxed more or paid less than women for the same job with the same qualifications and experience. I've seen feminists say that rape occurs any time sexual intercourse occurs which has not been initiated by the woman out of her own genuine afection and desire. I have heard feminists claim that due process and the presumption of innocence are concepts that are outdated and inapplicable to the crime of rape.

I suspect the "leading" feminist writers and commentators take cover under "moderate" feminism. The moderates think we're talking about equality. The leading voices, and public commentators and writers on the topic are concerned with much more than that.

This is, of course, a far more balanced and nuanced view than Dave the Dodo's rants. But, in terms of real effect, the fringe academics of extreme feminism (the source of your examples) have little impact in any practical sense, other than provoking outrage (which of course they delight in). However, beyond absolutely plain equality, there are serious issues about violence towards women, to take one example. Clearly, there are parts of the non-western world where this is a much bigger problem, but domestic violence (mostly but not exclusively against women) is a serious problem in developed countries as well, and at least part of this problem connects to male attitudes towards women, and as such is fair game for a feminist analysis (hopefully eschewing the "all men are violent rapists" nonsense). Additionally, for whatever combination of reasons, women who reach retirement age have much less financial security than men, particularly if they have lost their male partners. This is a real and significant issue.

[Hermit]

What views represent the typical feminist?

I don't know. What do you think they are, or might be?

For example, I've heard feminists publish and speak opening, and with good reception from their audiences, that women should speak first at conferences or in a college classroom, and that if there is to be a panel discussion occurring and women don't make up half the panel, then the discussion should terminate. This was advocated by a feminist college professor at Dalhousie, a Canadian university - professor Haivens, I think. I've seen feminists publish screeds demanding that the State pay for tampons for women. I've seen policies seriously proposed that men should be taxed more or paid less than women for the same job with the same qualifications and experience. I've seen feminists say that rape occurs any time sexual intercourse occurs which has not been initiated by the woman out of her own genuine afection and desire. I have heard feminists claim that due process and the presumption of innocence are concepts that are outdated and inapplicable to the crime of rape.

I suspect the "leading" feminist writers and commentators take cover under "moderate" feminism. The moderates think we're talking about equality. The leading voices, and public commentators and writers on the topic are concerned with much more than that.

The half dozen data points you cite as examples are not even typical of the feminist leadership, let alone feminists at large.

One could cite half a dozen very vocal and prominent Christian fundamentalists advocating a young earth view of history who attract a lot of publicity, but it's a bridge too far, to say the least, to then conclude they are typical of Christians.

[DaveDodo007]

First off I said men have on average 10% bigger brains, what the fuck is brain power?

...The same could be said for intellectual pursuits as men have 10% more brain power than women percentage wise even when they are the same size and body weight.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1624619

It was stupid when I said it because it doesn't make sense, so call me out on it rather than running with it.

I did call you out on it. That's when you started saying you were talking about brain mass not ntelligence. You remember, it was part of your screed about how women are physically and intellectually inferior to men because of evolution.

I did fuck up and you were right to call me on it. Though you seem to be claiming I said men are better then women in all things. I was just pointing out (and it is only because of biology) men are better in sports and other competitor games. Everything else is up for debate but do you really want to go there?

[DaveDodo007]

With all things being equal what have you got against IQ tests?

I don't have any personal problem with IQ tests. Scientists have known for some time that they only measure a particular aspect of intelligence. This goes back at least to Howard Gardner and his idea of multiple intelligences.

The theory of multiple intelligences was developed in 1983 by Dr. Howard Gardner, professor of education at Harvard University. It suggests that the traditional notion of intelligence, based on I.Q. testing, is far too limited. Instead, Dr. Gardner proposes eight different intelligences to account for a broader range of human potential in children and adults.

For a more recent take on the limitations of the traditional IQ test:

"Scientists debunk the IQ myth: Notion of measuring one's intelligence quotient by singular, standardized test is highly misleading" | ScienceDaily

Utilizing an online study open to anyone, anywhere in the world, the researchers asked respondents to complete 12 cognitive tests tapping memory, reasoning, attention and planning abilities, as well as a survey about their background and lifestyle habits.

. . .

The results showed that when a wide range of cognitive abilities are explored, the observed variations in performance can only be explained with at least three distinct components: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component.

No one component, or IQ, explained everything. Furthermore, the scientists used a brain scanning technique known as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), to show that these differences in cognitive ability map onto distinct circuits in the brain.

Lol, : Scientists.

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If that is the best you have then.

[DaveDodo007]

Do you recognize that "men have 10% more brain power than women percentage wise even when they are the same size and body weight," and "there is an average 3% difference in IQ scores" are not equivalent statements?

I can see at least a couple of significant distinctions. For one thing, the two statements differ in the number mentioned. For another, it is generally understood that IQ scores only measure one aspect of intelligence, therefore even if it is agreed that there is a difference in average IQ scores between men and women, that does not necessarily mean that men have more "brain power" than women.

Additionally, with the IQ comparison, one would have to be sure one was comparing 2 cohorts similar in both socio-economic background, and with equivalent levels of formal education.

Give me an alternative? Or do we assume all knowledge is equal. As I can recommend some intelligent theologians.

[DaveDodo007]

If this doesn't sum it up what does.

The only thing the cartoon sums up is your view of the typical feminist.

How many prominent feminists saying this, I can provide quotes? Do you need before you accept this is feminist dogma? Does your anecdotal evidence in knowing one feminist who doesn't think this way prove your delusion, if so you may have missed the point of the comic.

[DaveDodo007]

What views represent the typical feminist?

All feminists adhere to the dictionary definition of feminism even the ones that don't and don't you dare shine a light on the vast vast majority who are man hating cunts because they are not true (Scotsmyn) feminists. Scientologist have more skepticism than atheist feminists as far as I can see. The only reason most ratz members are atheist are is that they were not brought up in a religious household because they have no clue to what skepticism is.