A Hermit wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:
This wasn't a house, for the 100th time.
The principle is the same; you don;t have permission to enter you should stay out. Ethics 101.
Permission to be added to email distribution lists is given by the system when you enter an email address.
A Hermit wrote:
That is what she says, sure. But her comments are self-serving.
And T-Foot's stuff
isn't self serving?
His are backed up by citations to evidence. Like, for example, the emails that were written about their scheme to destroy him, and defraud him. And, other schemes to harm people. Her comment about "laughing" and saying that FtB's conduct gave him license to "do whatever he wants" are self-serving because they are unverifiable. They also strike me as decidedly unlikely to have come from T-Foot, who is generally more precise in his delivery. He would never say, in my view, that he was justified in doing WHATEVER HE WANTED.
It's typical Skepchick/FtB nonsense -- spin doctoring.
A Hermit wrote:
The viciousness and meanspiritness over there is rampant.
Yeah, and no one here would call another person "cuntlapper" or a "wankstain" or tell them to fuck off...or laugh about raping them... oh no, that never happens here....
It happens, yes. However, such things will earn the namecaller a caution.
What doesn't happen here, though, is that you won't be banned for the content of your argument.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... r-atheism/ See posts 32 and 126.
A Hermit wrote:
It's a false, and ridiculous analogy to call this breaking and entering. It's not the same principle at all. He didn't "take" anything. He was on a mailing list.
The principle is the same; he went somewhere he had no permission to go, and downloaded and made copies of documents he was not entitled to have in his possession. Ethics 101...
The permission to be on a mailing list is granted or denied by the gateway where the email address is entered. He had permission to go there.
Running someone out of the movement...
Maybe we can screw him out of the money -- who gives a fuck?
Can we make him a pariah?
Those are ethics learned in kindergarten.
A Hermit wrote:
Thunderfoot never said they tried to get Payton fired.
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... -a-pariah/
So a week or so ago a guy called Michael Payton who works for CFI Canada (Center for Inquiry) put up a tweet about finding FTB unreadable. Now it turns out ironically Michael is on FTBs side on the issue of harassment policies at conferences (well mostly), however that didn’t matter if he was going to speak ill of freethoughtblogs and this precipitated an angry torrent of twitters from at least one FTBer and another to write an entire blog post about it (promoted by PZ Myers of course), and as with all such posts on FTB he (Payton) was repeatedly branded in the comments section with pejorative terms such as misogynist and MRA (the irony being that he posted an article on skepchick ‘speaking out against hate against women‘ FACEPALM). Indeed it turned out that merely hours after this tweet, CFI Canada had been contacted with calls for his dismissal. Yes his real life job was being threatened because of one tweet about FTBs!
That was a pretty disturbing turn of events having someones job targeted so quickly after a single tweet about FTBs, and after a brief chat with Michael, and knowing that FTB were going ballistic about this on their secret backchannel with some THIRTY messages being circulated on the backchannel about his single tweet, let him know what they were saying about him (naturally no personal details were passed on).
Sounds reasonable.
A Hermit wrote:
...all I did was clued someone in whose job was being threatened...
Sounds like it to me...
He tells the same story about Abbie Smith in that post, by the way...also a lie.
LOL -- doesn't seem like it's been established to be a lie. Apparently someone was contacting Payton's employer calling for his dismissal. Wanna bet who that was?
We can't be sure, of course, it was FtB -- but, they were exchanging emails about what to "do" about Payton... I think the responsible thing to do would be to share that info with Payton.
You can tell by the content of those "secret" email exchanges that those on that list have no real issue about fucking with people's real life livelihoods. They're not just going to debate you. They're going to come after you.
