Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

[pErvinalia]

I think the ignore feature is a handy tool in avoiding antagonistic debates.

[Strontium Dog]

What a fascinating discussion. I'm so glad I dropped by to see if Rationalia was any more lively than Ratskep.

It's reminded me of this post in the thread about the Rochdale grooming trial.

Yep, that's one of the generalised ones I remember. But SD was only "joking". Anytime he says anything repugnant or contradictory, he's "joking".

No, other than the levity of tone, I wasn't joking. I really do think that white British girls are more promiscuous than Pakistani British girls. I do not believe that such a stance is at odds with the evidence. However, I am open to persuasion if someone wants to present some facts to the contrary.

[Strontium Dog]

Here's one from a random Google search in the top couple of hits:

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It was just a joke, though. Totally coincidental that your jokes and political/economic ideology almost exclusively focus on the disadvantaged and less powerful in society.

I'd forgotten about that. That is fucking hilarious. I really ought to submit my material to a professional comedian. Does anyone know any personally? I'm thinking Jimmy Carr or someone of that ilk.

[Strontium Dog]

Bigotry against disadvantaged people. And you clearly missed DDs link to SDs disgusting rape apologetics. Go back and find it.

Rape apologetics

I'm amazed rEvolutionist is banned from RatSkep, because his twisting of the truth fits right in with everyone else's.

[surreptitious57]

Remember that we are supposed to be wiping the slate clean and putting all of the bullshit behind us so
we can have more productive discourse but that can only work if all of us agree to it not just some of us

[Strontium Dog]

Remember that we are supposed to be wiping the slate clean and putting all of the bullshit behind us so
we can have more productive discourse but that can only work if all of us agree to it not just some of us

Take it up with the folk who think that a few off-colour jokes from three years ago is wholesale evidence that I am some Internet horror!

I can have productive discourse with anyone who is willing to be civil, clean slate or no.

[JimC]

What a fascinating discussion. I'm so glad I dropped by to see if Rationalia was any more lively than Ratskep.

It's reminded me of this post in the thread about the Rochdale grooming trial.

Yep, that's one of the generalised ones I remember. But SD was only "joking". Anytime he says anything repugnant or contradictory, he's "joking".

No, other than the levity of tone, I wasn't joking. I really do think that white British girls are more promiscuous than Pakistani British girls. I do not believe that such a stance is at odds with the evidence. However, I am open to persuasion if someone wants to present some facts to the contrary.

The assertion may, on average, be true. However, when you add snide humour, it changes from being a debatable point to a deliberate attempt to slur...

[Strontium Dog]

Only if you consider calling a person promiscuous to be a black mark against that person, which I don't.

I would suggest that the only folk who are liable to find such a comment insulting are, hugely ironically, those who consider promiscuity to be a negative trait.

I made this point to a startled RatSkep moderator. His final argument, once he had realised the inherent hypocrisy in sanctioning me for "racism and sexism", was to justify the warning by claiming that comparing women to party favours cheapens them, because party favours are typically inexpensive!

This is what passes for logic among their moderating team.

Bear in mind that I subsequently reported a post in which a female celebrity was referred to as a "slag" - a term that, in the context used, was undeniably misogynistic - but the moderators took no action against the culprit.

So this is also an excellent example of their clear double standards.

[Seth]

I think the ignore feature is a handy tool in avoiding antagonistic debates.

Use it in good health...but USE IT.

[Seth]

Hermit wrote:

...Due to the marvellous malleability of the meaning of troll Exi5tentialist copped a warning or suspension and left. There is nothing preventing this forum to apply our coverall as liberally as ratskep utilise theirs. All it takes is for more mods and members to keep interpreting opinions they disagree with as forms of trolling....

He got a very minor penalty, got into a huff and left. Although the potential for using the rule unwisely is there, if you look at the whole history of the forum, it is clear that it has been used extremely sparingly.

We still have Seth...

Which I will state unequivocally makes this forum and the mods therein far superior to RatFuck...er, Skep, which is not to say it's perfect, but then what other than my esteemed self, is?

[Hermit]

Stop fighting. Life is more pleasant that way.

[Seth]

What a fascinating discussion. I'm so glad I dropped by to see if Rationalia was any more lively than Ratskep.

It's reminded me of this post in the thread about the Rochdale grooming trial.

Yep, that's one of the generalised ones I remember. But SD was only "joking". Anytime he says anything repugnant or contradictory, he's "joking".

No, other than the levity of tone, I wasn't joking. I really do think that white British girls are more promiscuous than Pakistani British girls. I do not believe that such a stance is at odds with the evidence. However, I am open to persuasion if someone wants to present some facts to the contrary.

I think you are correct in this characterization, by and large. But I'm not sure that the Pakistani extraction aspect is the delineator as much as the degree of separation from Pakistani culture and religion is. I don't necessarily see a third or fourth generation British citizen of Pakistani extraction as necessarily being less prone to promiscuity than a white British girl of British extraction. But I would say that a direct Pakistani immigrant and quite likely a first generation child of Pakistani immigrants is very likely less likely to be promiscuous than any white British girl merely because of the cultural differences (religion aside entirely) between Pakistan and Britain overall.

Now why we could not have this conversation over at RatFuck without either of us being deemed to be "racist" or "bigoted" or "disruptive" is entirely opaque to any rational person. The only possible explanation is that the idiots over at RatFuck are bigoted idiots who can't tolerate diversity of opinion even for the purposes of argument.

[Seth]

Stop fighting. Life is more pleasant that way.

The Brits and the Huns tried that in WWII about this time of year, and while it was a beauty moment, the officers in charge who let it happen were executed for letting it happen.

See: "Christmas in the Trenches" by John McCutcheon

[Seth]

Remember that we are supposed to be wiping the slate clean and putting all of the bullshit behind us so
we can have more productive discourse but that can only work if all of us agree to it not just some of us

Well, it ain't the New Year just yet, so perhaps we can forgive a couple of "final shots" before the armistice.

[Brian Peacock]

Stop fighting. Life is more pleasant that way.

Make tea, not war.