Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:55 am

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eRvin wrote:I didn't say they were a cross section of leftism. Try reading for comprehension for once. YOU said that "a lefty" will be effectively rabidly anti-gmo. YOU are impugning a position to a generic lefty that doesn't comport with reality. And what's this shit that there's necessarily a distinction between a lefty and "rationalists and free thinkers"?!? Don't you find it noteworthy from under your rock that the VAST majority of atheists on the internet support the left of the political spectrum? There's a few liberals like you, and then a small spattering of conservatives and religious trolls.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:56 am

Seth wrote:
eRvin wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
eRvin wrote:noise
Oh fuck off.

I'm tired of your bullshit.

I'd address anything worthwhile, if I didn't have to wade through your horseshit oblique and not-so-oblique insults. You seem incapable of having a discussion without making it about insults, snark and snot-nosed comments.

Fuck off with yo bad self.
Weak as piss. You have a track record of making outlandish claims and then slinking off to some other part of the internet and avoiding addressing rebuttals. You are failing, yet again, with your ridiculous broad-brush strokes tarring "the left" or "progressives" due to the actions of a noisy minority. Show some reasoning abilities in your posts and you might not get called on your bullshit so often.
Fuck off.
Please refer to the play nice rule before you get yourself suspended again for another two months. :bored:
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:58 am

Seth wrote:
eRvin wrote: Let's see some evidence for these assertions please.
Fuck off.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:59 am

Tyrannical wrote:Liberals and data lol
This part of Tyrannical's post has been removed because it is racist hate speech
IQ tests? Who needs them
Statistics? Dey be rasist.
Science? Dat be rayis too!

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The data shows that there's more genetic variation within "races" than between them. :fp:
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Seth » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:26 pm

eRvin wrote:
Seth wrote:
eRvin wrote:I didn't say they were a cross section of leftism. Try reading for comprehension for once. YOU said that "a lefty" will be effectively rabidly anti-gmo. YOU are impugning a position to a generic lefty that doesn't comport with reality. And what's this shit that there's necessarily a distinction between a lefty and "rationalists and free thinkers"?!? Don't you find it noteworthy from under your rock that the VAST majority of atheists on the internet support the left of the political spectrum? There's a few liberals like you, and then a small spattering of conservatives and religious trolls.
Fuck off.
Pardon? This wasn't in response to any of your arse water. It was in response to Coito's arse water.
Fuck off.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:37 pm

Clap clap fuck off
Clap clap fuck on

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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:39 pm

eRvin wrote:
The data shows that there's more genetic variation within "races" than between them. :fp:
This statement is technically true, but is incomplete. The statement on variability is correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is, however,s possible to classify individuals into different racial groups to almost 100% accuracy if you consider the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. The frequency of given alleles tends to cluster differently for different human populations.

So, it's a nice statement, and true -- because humans only diverged, say, 50 or 100,000 years ago, or so, give or take, out of Africa. But, that doesn't mean that there aren't biological races, as distinct from pure "social construct" races.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:40 pm

eRvin wrote:
Please refer to the play nice rule before you get yourself suspended again for another two months. :bored:
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:06 am

Forty Two wrote:
eRvin wrote:
The data shows that there's more genetic variation within "races" than between them. :fp:
This statement is technically true, but is incomplete. The statement on variability is correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is, however,s possible to classify individuals into different racial groups to almost 100% accuracy if you consider the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. The frequency of given alleles tends to cluster differently for different human populations.

So, it's a nice statement, and true -- because humans only diverged, say, 50 or 100,000 years ago, or so, give or take, out of Africa. But, that doesn't mean that there aren't biological races, as distinct from pure "social construct" races.
I'm not going to get into a debate about this with you, as debating you is a pointless exercise. But science and pretty much everyone else disagrees with you - https://www.google.com.au/#q=is+there+s ... gical+race
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by JimC » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:18 am

There are some minor biological elements to the rather fuzzy concept of race, mixed with social elements. Those biological elements are unimportant in the scheme of things...
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:20 am

But they were racists first, don't forget that.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by DaveDodo007 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:05 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Liberals and data lol
This part of Tyrannical's post has been removed because it is racist hate speech
IQ tests? Who needs them
Statistics? Dey be rasist.
Science? Dat be rayis too!

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Hate speech, WTF. Unless this is due to the forum being based in the UK, then I understand.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by DaveDodo007 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:12 pm

JimC wrote:There are some minor biological elements to the rather fuzzy concept of race, mixed with social elements. Those biological elements are unimportant in the scheme of things...
Probably best using the term ethnicity as you pointed out race is an ill-defined term.
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Re: Conservatives: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Data!

Post by Tero » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:11 pm

Forty Two wrote:
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Forty Two wrote:. . . "benefits of social media" and you don't think a self-identifying "conservative" is going to think they see where this is headed?
What political implications might a conservative be wary of in regard to the topic of the benefits of social media?
The issue is that conservatives will not expect there to be any reliable, objective data on "the benefits of social media" -- such as proving it beneficial or harmful one way or the other. Conservatives are also less likely to be adopters of new things, so a liberal will be more pro-newer-media, like social media, whereas a conservative would be more likely to start off with the presupposition that it isn't necessarily a good thing.

It's about presuppositions - liberals have their own, but this study seems to focus on the areas where conservatives have certain presuppositions. However, if you picked some other topics, where liberals or leftists have some presuppositions, they'll also be resistant to new data.

Have you ever had a discussion with a lefty person about Monsanto or GMOs? They reject the mountains upon mountains of data that prove GMOs safe and reliable - at least as safe as non-GMO food - with not a shred of evidence of any negative effects attributable to GMOs, but they still hang on to their "frankenfood" nonsense.

I'm not saying the lefties are worse, not by any means. They just have their own biases and resistances.
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