US Gay teens
US Gay teens
Having registered as a member on a forum for gay teens, I'm actually really appalled by the reality of the situation in the states. I've been convinced that British teens have it tough, but the reality that homosexual kids have to face in the US is disgusting. I've read so many testaments from kids no older than 14 or 15 who just can't handle the stress of it all. Many of them live in religious households with devout parents. Many of their families are incredibly homophobic. They can't 'come out' because of fear of reprisals from their own mums and dads. It just shouldn't be happening. To perplex things even further many of these kids have atheistic sympathies, so to speak. I've talked to a few of them and the situation seems pretty terrible. They come onto the forums asking for advice from other teenagers, and the results are always the same. No one can give a suitable solution to their problems which doesn't include "stay at school, work hard and hope to find a college far from your family and possibly your state". It should be a 21st century shame that young homosexual teens should have to wait so long and persevere so much to escape the prejudices of their own community and parents.
These kids are depressed and feel that they have no hope for their future. They've been taught to feel guilty for existing, and they do. I don't think there's anything so sad as a 15 year old boy talking about wanting to end it all and commit suicide. They can't even reach out for the support they need in their area because of the piousness of councillors and people who should know better. There's no trust and no opportunity for them to escape.
I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't They say "just tell everyone you're gay, I'm sure they'd accept it" but they just don't understand the jeopardy that it could put these boys in I feel a little disappointed in myself that I've had to tell them to keep their sexuality to themselves and tell no one. Is this modern America? Where the fuck are the basic human rights that these kids are entitled to?
These kids are depressed and feel that they have no hope for their future. They've been taught to feel guilty for existing, and they do. I don't think there's anything so sad as a 15 year old boy talking about wanting to end it all and commit suicide. They can't even reach out for the support they need in their area because of the piousness of councillors and people who should know better. There's no trust and no opportunity for them to escape.
I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't They say "just tell everyone you're gay, I'm sure they'd accept it" but they just don't understand the jeopardy that it could put these boys in I feel a little disappointed in myself that I've had to tell them to keep their sexuality to themselves and tell no one. Is this modern America? Where the fuck are the basic human rights that these kids are entitled to?
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The problem with self-reporting polls is that parties with an interest tend to reply much more than those that don't have an interest. It skews the results.
(In other words, you're only hearing from that have issues.)
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+1Gawdzilla wrote:The problem with self-reporting polls is that parties with an interest tend to reply much more than those that don't have an interest. It skews the results.
(In other words, you're only hearing from that have issues.)
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Pure dross. Attitudes towards homosexuality have undergone a sea change in the US in recent years. Public acceptance still isn't where they ought to be, but to say America hasn't progressed over the years is nonsense.Lozzer wrote:I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't
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Ian wrote:Pure dross. Attitudes towards homosexuality have undergone a sea change in the US in recent years. Public acceptance still isn't where they ought to be, but to say America hasn't progressed over the years is nonsense.Lozzer wrote:I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't
Is this why you have Bill O'reilly on one of America's most popular channels ranting every given moment about the 'gay agenda' in hope to discredit any legitimate attempt to make society more tolerant of homosexuals?
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Lozzer, Bill O'reilly does not equal America.Lozzer wrote:Ian wrote:Pure dross. Attitudes towards homosexuality have undergone a sea change in the US in recent years. Public acceptance still isn't where they ought to be, but to say America hasn't progressed over the years is nonsense.Lozzer wrote:I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't
Is this why you have Bill O'reilly on one of America's most popular channels ranting every given moment about the 'gay agenda' in hope to discredit any legitimate attempt to make society more tolerant of homosexuals?
Several states now recognize gay marriage, and more are on their way. The military will likely soon get rid of "don't ask, don't tell" (most of the Joint Chiefs including the Chairman are now in favor of doing away with it). There are more gay characters on mainstream television and movies than you can shake a stick at. I think you know I could go on and on.
Don't drop Bill O'reilly's name as proof that American attitudes haven't changed in over the years.
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I am sure there are US sites addressing the problems, even the heartrending ones, of young gays in that unfortunate country, sites and organizations that do not respect the niceties. :pissed: Although I have no direct knowledge of them, I would recommend you to seek them up, see what they actually are accomplishing, and offer any assistance that you could supply.
This might be simply referring the atheistically inclined to their direct peers in W. Europe, Oz, Noz or Canada.
Apart from these lines I feel I am at just a loss as you.
This might be simply referring the atheistically inclined to their direct peers in W. Europe, Oz, Noz or Canada.
Apart from these lines I feel I am at just a loss as you.
Lozzer wrote:Having registered as a member on a forum for gay teens, I'm actually really appalled by the reality of the situation in the states. I've been convinced that British teens have it tough, but the reality that homosexual kids have to face in the US is disgusting. I've read so many testaments from kids no older than 14 or 15 who just can't handle the stress of it all. Many of them live in religious households with devout parents. Many of their families are incredibly homophobic. They can't 'come out' because of fear of reprisals from their own mums and dads. It just shouldn't be happening. To perplex things even further many of these kids have atheistic sympathies, so to speak. I've talked to a few of them and the situation seems pretty terrible. They come onto the forums asking for advice from other teenagers, and the results are always the same. No one can give a suitable solution to their problems which doesn't include "stay at school, work hard and hope to find a college far from your family and possibly your state". It should be a 21st century shame that young homosexual teens should have to wait so long and persevere so much to escape the prejudices of their own community and parents.
These kids are depressed and feel that they have no hope for their future. They've been taught to feel guilty for existing, and they do. I don't think there's anything so sad as a 15 year old boy talking about wanting to end it all and commit suicide. They can't even reach out for the support they need in their area because of the piousness of councillors and people who should know better. There's no trust and no opportunity for them to escape.
I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't They say "just tell everyone you're gay, I'm sure they'd accept it" but they just don't understand the jeopardy that it could put these boys in I feel a little disappointed in myself that I've had to tell them to keep their sexuality to themselves and tell no one. Is this modern America? Where the fuck are the basic human rights that these kids are entitled to?
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I think it's getting a little better. Slightly. In certain places. But it's still pretty impossible if you're gay or bi. Seems like a simple solution, though. Set up a gay teen suicide hotline. Man it with paedophiles. Or ephebophiles, more accurately, if I remember my terminology. Anyway, problem solved. Sorted.
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I'll believe that when the neocons and other fundie chretins stop being a group to reckon with in the US (and the driving force behind the GOP), and when I stop regularly hearing about the possibility of reversing Roe Vs Wade (which might actually become a possibility under the roberts/alito SCotUS)Ian wrote:Pure dross. Attitudes towards homosexuality have undergone a sea change in the US in recent years. Public acceptance still isn't where they ought to be, but to say America hasn't progressed over the years is nonsense.Lozzer wrote:I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't
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I am a Canadian.
Up here in Toronto, I have never felt there has been gross mistreatment of homosexuals.
In high school we had the dumb asses who thought they were cool calling people fags and such.
But for the most part I feel Toronto is pretty tolerant.
It is disgusting the way some people treat their kids, and I am sure there is enough parents here too that treat their kids like that.
I do laugh and point at people who call me or anyone else I know 'fag' i consider it one of the lamest forms of insults.
Along with "your mommas so fat...."
Up here in Toronto, I have never felt there has been gross mistreatment of homosexuals.
In high school we had the dumb asses who thought they were cool calling people fags and such.
But for the most part I feel Toronto is pretty tolerant.
It is disgusting the way some people treat their kids, and I am sure there is enough parents here too that treat their kids like that.
I do laugh and point at people who call me or anyone else I know 'fag' i consider it one of the lamest forms of insults.
Along with "your mommas so fat...."
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No doubt some parts of America are much more accepting of homosexuality than others, but let's not kid ourselves.
Listen to this recent "Christian Rock" epic, titled "God hates fags", then we can talk liberated attitudes. This kind of stuff wouldn't get airplay in the UK or Australia.
Listen to this recent "Christian Rock" epic, titled "God hates fags", then we can talk liberated attitudes. This kind of stuff wouldn't get airplay in the UK or Australia.
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Its a piss take, surely.....Twiglet wrote:No doubt some parts of America are much more accepting of homosexuality than others, but let's not kid ourselves.
Listen to this recent "Christian Rock" epic, titled "God hates fags", then we can talk liberated attitudes. This kind of stuff wouldn't get airplay in the UK or Australia.
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It's not a pisstake. The guy has a whole website dedicated to psychotherapy to "cure gays".
http://www.donniedavies.com/
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There could be some real progress, and yet still a large number of young folk with exactly the problem Lozzer describes. And a much higher proportiohn than Europe or Australia, simply down to the large proportion of fundie families you have, even given a shift in public and media attitudes.Ian wrote:Pure dross. Attitudes towards homosexuality have undergone a sea change in the US in recent years. Public acceptance still isn't where they ought to be, but to say America hasn't progressed over the years is nonsense.Lozzer wrote:I've noticed that many British posters on the forum can't relate to their American counterparts' situation. Their inappropriate advice is a monument to how much our country has progressed over the years, but a total indictment of how America hasn't
Lozzer was not really having a go at America, just the appalling stuation that gay teens in fundie families have to put up with...
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How disgusting. To suggest the god I was invited to believe in hates anyone seems downright evil to me.Twiglet wrote:It's not a pisstake. The guy has a whole website dedicated to psychotherapy to "cure gays".
http://www.donniedavies.com/
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