Racism about islam can't exist: islam isn't a race: Poll

[Exi5tentialist]

It can be prejudice, but not racism that is why.

Isn't it about usage? Richard Dawkins says a woman wearing an abaya is in a bin liner. He's a racist.

Mhhh. Clothing as an indicator of race? I thought it was genes.

Geography is an indicator of race. Cultural norms around clothing are an indicator of race. Food recipes are an indicator of race. Linguistic accents are an indicator of race. Indicators of race can be used as indicators of racism. And yet, you still don't need the concept of race to understand what racism is.

[pErvinalia]

No, those things are an indicator of culture. Phenotype is the indicator of race.

[Exi5tentialist]

No, those things are an indicator of culture. Phenotype is the indicator of race.

Are you even being serious? Someone doing a Pakistani accent and making bad jokes about curry can't possibly be being racist unless they black up? Give us a break.

[pErvinalia]

You are doing it again. You are confusing two separate terms: race, and racism. Hermit and I are talking about race. What I said stands. And your reply is a non-sequitur. Again.

[Hermit]

It can be prejudice, but not racism that is why.

Isn't it about usage? Richard Dawkins says a woman wearing an abaya is in a bin liner. He's a racist.

Mhhh. Clothing as an indicator of race? I thought it was genes.

Geography is an indicator of race. Cultural norms around clothing are an indicator of race. Food recipes are an indicator of race. Linguistic accents are an indicator of race. Indicators of race can be used as indicators of racism. And yet, you still don't need the concept of race to understand what racism is.

Do you realise that the nation with the biggest number of Muslims is Indonesia, and that none of its inhabitants are of the ethnicity usually associated with being a Muslim - Arab? Was Dawkins racist when he wrote that lovely "Dear Muslima" letter?

[pErvinalia]

By exi's "logic", a women who converts to Islam and starts wearing a hijab is all of a sudden a different race.

[Exi5tentialist]

You are doing it again. You are confusing two separate terms: race, and racism. Hermit and I are talking about race. What I said stands. And your reply is a non-sequitur. Again.

They can't be that difficult to confuse. They come from the same bloody word root, for Christ's sake.

And I agree, you don't need the concept of race to have such a thing as racism. But if you are using indicators of race to denigrate people, then you're still a racist anyway. And Richard Dawkins is a racist.

If you're going to keep accusing me of not conforming to steps in logic that you've supposedly made in previous posts, then refer to the exact fucking post. Stop making vague allegations that I'm "doing it again" or being "non-sequitor" when you can't even reference what you're on about. You're just prolonging your own agony. In short, make some sense.

[Exi5tentialist]

By exi's "logic", a women who converts to Islam and starts wearing a hijab is all of a sudden a different race.

Well that's up to her isn't it?

Even if she decided not to change, or if she decided to reject the concept of race altogether, she coud still be on the receiving end of anti-muslim racism.

[pErvinalia]

No, she could be on the end of xenophobia. Words have meaning.

[Exi5tentialist]

It can be prejudice, but not racism that is why.

Isn't it about usage? Richard Dawkins says a woman wearing an abaya is in a bin liner. He's a racist.

Mhhh. Clothing as an indicator of race? I thought it was genes.

Geography is an indicator of race. Cultural norms around clothing are an indicator of race. Food recipes are an indicator of race. Linguistic accents are an indicator of race. Indicators of race can be used as indicators of racism. And yet, you still don't need the concept of race to understand what racism is.

Do you realise that the nation with the biggest number of Muslims is Indonesia, and that none of its inhabitants are of the ethnicity usually associated with being a Muslim - Arab? Was Dawkins racist when he wrote that lovely "Dear Muslima" letter?

What's that got to do with his racism over the woman wearing the abaya? Why is that even a muslim thing? The abaya is a common garment worn by women in certain regions of Africa. How does it being muslim dress, or muslims existing in indonesia, stop that being a fact?

[pErvinalia]

You are doing it again. You are confusing two separate terms: race, and racism. Hermit and I are talking about race. What I said stands. And your reply is a non-sequitur. Again.

They can't be that difficult to confuse. They come from the same bloody word root, for Christ's sake.

And I agree, you don't need the concept of race to have such a thing as racism. But if you are using indicators of race to denigrate people, then you're still a racist anyway. And Richard Dawkins is a racist.

If you're going to keep accusing me of not conforming to steps in logic that you've supposedly made in previous posts, then refer to the exact fucking post. Stop making vague allegations that I'm "doing it again" or being "non-sequitor" when you can't even reference what you're on about. You're just prolonging your own agony. In short, make some sense.

The only thing in agony is rationality after being abused by your musings. Quite simply, you have claimed that Dawkins is racist. When you make a claim, rationality dictates that it is incumbent on you to support it. You refuse to do that. That's all that really matters in this thread. You being obnoxiously wedded to a personal bias.

[Exi5tentialist]

No, she would be on the end of xenophobia. Words have meaning.

You're saying a white english woman donning a hijab and receiving abuse for it in England would be on the receiving end of xenophobia? That's the fear of people from other countries, isn't it?

[pErvinalia]

No, it's fear of "outsiders", whether that is physical or cultural.

[Exi5tentialist]

You being obnoxiously wedded to a personal bias.

Yes! You got it! I'm wedded to my personal bias against Richard Dawkins - and his culturally protestant, white, anglo-saxon, imperialistically-inspired hatred of the traditionally subordinate religion of islam which to him and his class represents inferior colonial races which must be held at bay with irrational hatred and pseudo-intellectual sniping. The only evidence needed are the words of Richard Dawkins himself. And Christopher Hitchens. And Sam Harris. And...

[pErvinalia]

Ok, so you agree your opinion on racism is formed from bias (i.e. irrationality) and not reasoning. Glad we cleared that up.