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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by rainbow » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:39 am

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Forty Two wrote:Indians defeated Cubbies 6 -0 last night. That's one game won, in the "best of seven" series.
The whole world is getting extremely excited. :bored:
Look, just because you folks don't like baseball, doesn't mean plenty of nationalities don't enjoy it. It''s not just the US. Canada likes baseball, and they have a team in American Major League Baseball (they used to have 2, but Montreal moved to Washington DC). The Japanese have their own league, and baseball is their most popular sport. They love it. The Cubans love baseball as do the Dominicans and some other countries in central America and the Caribbean. Mainland China and Taiwan each play professional baseball. South Korea likes baseball, and they have a professional league. Mexico has a league, Venezuela, Colombia, etc. They don't, of course, count to some folks though.... not real countries, though....not part of the world.

Maybe if I point out that the vaunted Netherlands, with people far superior in intelligence, education, manners, civility and all other areas, likes baseball to some extent, too.... Here's an article from the New York Times, which says that soccer is king in the Netherlands, but baseball is becoming more popular there. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/world ... .html?_r=0 At a minimum, we can credit the Dutch with having the ability to appreciate a sport other than soccer, and to have the capacity to not scoff, every time the sport of baseball is brought up in conversation, about how it's not played much in fucking Europe. At least they can appreciate the sport.

Soccer is a great sport. Baseball is a different sport and is great in its own way. They aren't played the same, and not everyone is going to enjoy one or the other. Some people, like me, enjoy them both.
I think you missed the point. It can't be the World Series, if it's only got US (and a token Cunuck) teams in it.

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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by laklak » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:30 pm

We're Murika! We ARE the world! All your sports belong us. And yer fuckin' oil.
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Animavore » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:09 pm

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Forty Two wrote: Soccer is a great sport. Baseball is a different sport and is great in its own way. They aren't played the same, and not everyone is going to enjoy one or the other. Some people, like me, enjoy them both.
What the fuck is "soccer"?
I think he may be referring to Association Football, the game of over-paid guttersnipes and fly-by-night spivs from investment banking looking for a handy sink hole from which to generate favourable tax deductions.
Oh! Football, like?
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Animavore » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:17 pm

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Forty Two wrote:So fuck off.

Just sayin' :tea:
Top sport. :tup:

Here explained by an Englishman.

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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Forty Two » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:39 pm

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I think you missed the point. It can't be the World Series, if it's only got US (and a token Cunuck) teams in it.

The Merkins are scared the Taiwanese and Cubans will kick their butts.
At the time the name was developing in the 19th century, no other countries even played the sport. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~rickert/BB/wsname.html

It's one of those things that developed over time, and then stuck after the game expanded beyond the borders of the United States and Canada.

It's not that big of deal, but you folks across the pond seem to blow it all out of proportion.

Nobody is afraid of other countries getting involved. There have been games played in Japan and such. The main difficulty is travel. Having Chinese, Japanese, etc. teams play requires longer distances (20 hour flights), and we aren't in a union with them that allows easy visa-free travel to engage in money-making activities in each other's countries that way.
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:42 pm

Animavore wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Forty Two wrote:So fuck off.

Just sayin' :tea:
Top sport. :tup:
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by JimC » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:36 am

I prefer hurling abuse...
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by laklak » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:46 am

I'm not fond of hurling, particularly when some comes out the nose. Stings.
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by rainbow » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:42 am

Forty Two wrote: The main difficulty is travel. Having Chinese, Japanese, etc. teams play requires longer distances (20 hour flights), and we aren't in a union with them that allows easy visa-free travel to engage in money-making activities in each other's countries that way.
Now that is a weak excuse.
I guess you've never heard of Super Rugby?
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by laklak » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:15 pm

The Series alternates venues between the home stadiums of the two teams. Would be a bit of a nightmare traveling back and forth between Japan and the U.S. in the course of week or so. Could be changed to a neutral venue, I suppose.

IN any case, who gives a shit? It's a fucking game.
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Forty Two » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:30 pm

rainbow wrote:
Forty Two wrote: The main difficulty is travel. Having Chinese, Japanese, etc. teams play requires longer distances (20 hour flights), and we aren't in a union with them that allows easy visa-free travel to engage in money-making activities in each other's countries that way.
Now that is a weak excuse.
I guess you've never heard of Super Rugby?
Teams play in Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, and South Africa. They sometimes even play in England and Japan, but the teams there aren't very good.
It's not a weak excuse. It's a huge difficulty in a sport where there are 163 games for each team each year, and then six weeks or so of playoffs to reach the championship game. Super Rugby doesn't play that many games.

This doesn't mean it can't happen. The NFL for example has been playing a game each year in England lately, to try to expand the appeal of the sport. It's possible, but there has to be both fan interest and competitive players available.
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:47 pm

laklak wrote:I'm not fond of hurling, particularly when some comes out the nose. Stings.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:40 pm

Damn, I should have gone ahead and made my own hurling joke before Lak. Not that Brian would have given me post of the day. He would have awarded me 3.2/10.. :dq:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:42 pm

Maybe even 5.37. :tea:
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Re: Cubs vs. Indians

Post by Forty Two » Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:33 pm

Cubbies and Indians face off tonight at 8:06pm Eastern Time, US, and the game is taking place in Cleveland.

This is game 6 of a best of 7 series. The Indians lead 3 games to 2 now, and so the Cubs are in a "must win" situation. Indians win the Series tonight if they prevail. Cubs win means it goes back to Wrigley Field in Chicago for game 7.

I am not a big fan of either of these teams, although I have a soft-spot for the Cubs. Any team that can win in 1908, and still be without a championship 108 years later, deserves some sympathy. Although, some of the magic goes away if they do win -- like when the Boston Red Sox ended their long "curse of the Bambino" drought -- part of the appeal of being a Sox fan was lost, because of that curse was broken.

The Cubs curse is much more severe. William Sianis owned the Billy Goat Tavern in Chicago. In 1945, he brought his goat to the ballpark, and the smell of the animal was bothering some fans. The goat and its owner were asked to leave the ballpark. This was during game 4 of the 1945 World Series against the Detroit Tigers. He declared that the Cubs wold not win again, which was interpreted to mean that they would not win the World Series, or that they would not win a National League "Pennant" again.

It was not until 2016, on the 46th anniversary of Mr. Sianis' death, that the Cubs won a National League Pennant. So, arguably the curse has already been broken. However, their World Series drought will continue for another year, if they cannot win the next two games. If the curse meant "no world series championships" then the curse still remains.

It is said, however, that the curse which is applicable to the Chicago Cubs is not the Billy Goat Curse, but the curse of "Merkle's Boner." LOL. Merkle's Boner is not a reference to an untoward penile erection, but rather a notorious base running mistake committed by rookie Fred Merkle of the New York Giants in a game against the Chicago Cubs in 1908. Merkle's failure to advance to second base on what should have been a game-winning hit led instead to a force-out at second base, and a tied game. The Cubs later won the makeup game, which proved decisive as they beat the Giants by one game to win the National League (NL) pennant in 1908. It has been described as "the most controversial game in baseball history." Back then, the games could end in a tie, because they didn't have lights to play at night, and games could be called off because of darkness if they dragged on too long.

So, what happened is, Fred Merkle singled, meaning he got to first base, and that advanced a runner who was already on the bases to third. So, Merkle was on first and another runner was on third. Shortstop Al Bridwell came up to bat next with two outs. Bridwell swung at the first pitch and drilled an apparent single into center field. The man on third base ran to home plate, and the game appeared to be over, a 2–1 Giants victory (it was the bottom of the final inning, meaning if the Giants took the lead, the Cubs would never get to bat again, so it's over). Giants fans poured out of the stands and mobbed the field; fans sitting behind home plate customarily crossed the field to exit the ballpark via the outfield in this era. Merkle, advancing from first base, saw the fans swarming onto the playing field. He turned back to the dugout without ever touching second base. Official rule 4.09 stated that "A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made ... by any runner being forced out." Cubs second baseman Johnny Evers is said to have shouted to center fielder Solly Hofman, who, even though the field was filled with fans, retrieved the ball and threw it to Evers, forcing Merkle out at second base. That meant the runner who ran home from third did not score, because the third out of the inning had been forced out at second.

Before they could clear the field of fans, darkness fell, and the umpire called it even. That means a make-up game had to be scheduled, which the Cubs went on to win, which let them go to the 1908 World Series.

There were a lot of people pissed off at the time, and some people believe that the curse relates back to that dirty way the Cubs made it to the championship that year. Stories as to what actually happened conflict, with some people saying the outfielder had thrown the ball away already and that it was retrieved from the stands before it was thrown to the second baseman. If the fan gets the ball, the play should be called dead, and Merkle wouldn't have to advance, because he couldn't have been thrown out.

I would think the curse stems from Merkles's Boner (the world series curse), and the "pennant" curse is the Billy Goat curse. They've broken the Billy Goat curse, but they have yet to break the Merkle's Boner curse, and they have to win 2 games to break it.
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