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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:27 am

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Imagine I make a contract with you which says that I pay you 50 EUR each month forever. We both sign the contract. And the contract says it cannot be terminated by either side. Now I simply stop paying you the money. That violates your property rights.
It would be rare for any nation to ever enter into a treaty which says it can never be terminated.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Svartalf » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:43 am

yeah, looks like a bad thing to get, nice to be warned if I need to.
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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Hermit » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:54 am

Forty Two wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:12 am
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Forty Two wrote:
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I'm sure there is a good, secular rationale for having governments cover the cost of renovating churches, and it's probable that the reason the US constitution forbids such acts has to do with supporting religiosity, somehow.
Care to explain what makes you so sure?
That was sarcastic. I don't believe there are.
I was hoping you'd sarcastically quote a forum member's post explaining that there is a good, secular rationale for having governments cover the cost of renovating churches. And no, the necessity to not break treaties does not qualify.
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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Svartalf » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:58 am

well, churches are public monuments and works of art. They might be state property and lent or rented to cultual associations for the purpose of religious practice while still available to the public to visit and admire when services are not being performed (basically, that's how it's done here)
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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:29 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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well, churches are public monuments and works of art. They might be state property and lent or rented to cultual associations for the purpose of religious practice while still available to the public to visit and admire when services are not being performed (basically, that's how it's done here)
If that's true, then that's another massive mixing of church and state. In the US, churches are never State property, nor are they lent or rented to cultural associations for the purpose of religious practice. A church is a private institution here. For the State to own churches here would result in a massive public outcry under the Establishment Clause.
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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:19 pm

I can't even stand the Sheriffs riding around with "In God We Trust" plastered on their vehicles. Why is that okay?

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:23 pm

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It's everywhere! Why are they allowed to do this? Let's just move their operations into the churches and call them morality police...

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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:24 pm

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Rum » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:25 pm

In the UK the C of E still owns large chunks of land and it still keeps it very rich as a result, from rents, leases and so on. Except for national monuments (I think St Paul’s in London might be one) the Church of England funds its own upkeep of property.

Odd, given there is no separation of church and state.

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:26 pm

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It don't mean nuttin, they just all want their picture next to it cause it's new man! :lol: --so fucked

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

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..and black people? A sea of white faces.

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:54 pm



Fucking Buddhist monks! You can't fucking sneeze these days without snotting down the back of one.
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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Rum » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:01 pm

Those high visibility robes? I mean, in Tibet?

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Re: Prayers before Legislative Bodies

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:09 pm

The police issue is a serious one. I don't know if you've noticed but it's become normal to talk about who would win in an armed conflict between the progressive left in this country and the right. That's not a good conversation. It has even reached the highest levels of government. Who do the majority of police and military support? --yeah-- I don't worry about them actually winning any conflict, they are overlooking that it isn't just other Americans who don't like them, but they represent a real weakness and threat to be exploited.

We need to build up that wall a bit and diversify...

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