Lots of words, but it looks like evasion and obfuscation.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:09 pmLet's have another look at the comment you chose to dispute. This followed an exchange in which it was implied that we should 'call out' those who 'call out' white supremacists and ardent nationalist in public, and that supporting the 'calling out' white supremacists etc in public was an example racism against whites. Now you're shifting the goalposts by imposing a discursive requirement, to wit, a condition of specificity, one which was not there to begin with. You and President Trump might have a problem 'calling out' nazis and bigoted race-hate mongers but fortunately I'm not obliged to labour under that burden. If you'd like to dicuss what white supremacy, Nationalism, fascism, or hate-mongering bigotry etc does and doesn't entail then start a thread and tell us what you think - but that has little to no bearing on whether 'calling out bigoted race-hate mongers' is something you agree with or condone, or not.Forty Two wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:14 pmI need you to identify who you're talking about, because I don't presume that you and I are operating under the same definition of who fits the defition of white supremacy or white nationalism.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:55 pmI'm sorry, I just can't believe you really need an explanation of white supremacy or nationalism to understand what I'm saying. And feigning ignorance doesn't provide the wiggle room you're obviously angeling for here.
I haven't angled for wiggle room. You have. You won't be specific. Where are your limits? What's the perimeter around your definition of white supremacy? Is Tucker Carlson inside the set, or outside? Sarah Sanders? Trump? Is he a "white supremacist?" Who are the people, specifically ,within the set of white nationalists and white supremacists or your even more vague term of "ardent nationalist" -- who deserve to be harassed in restaurants with namecalling and vulgar epithets to "call them out?"
Indeed, the views of some people might be misunderstood or misscharacterised, sometime by accident or ignorance, and sometime maliciously or for opportunistic reasons, but does that really have an impact on what white supremacy etc is? Is there really any doubt about what it actually is? i.e. Are you actually in any doubt about what white supremacy entails, or only about whether it's morally justifiable to 'call it out' so to speak?Forty Two wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:16 pmi.e., Brian, you know full well that people get called racist, white supremacist, etc., when they are not that. So, using those terms doesn't allow us to understand whether we are defining them the same, unless we both clarify what we mean (who we include in those terms). That's what I'm saying. That ought to be clear enough. If you're not willing to specify, fine.
All you're saying here is that white supremacists are white supremacists
It reminds me of those brave young noodle-armed kids, growling about how they would 'punch a Nazi', but never going to find one.
It probably feels good to say you would oppose 'white nationalists', especially if you never have to back it up with anything real.