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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Jason » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:18 am

Forty Two wrote:
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pErvinalia wrote:
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I wonder if they've considered that Beyonce looks great in her outfit and Ed looks like a slob in his.
They did, and that was the problem. Ed Sheeran is privileged because "we" allow - allow - him to "feel" as if it's "o.k." to dress like that, but women "have to" wear great outfits, like Beyonce'. LOL

It's tangential to the crisis that occurred over Zuckerberg wearing the same thing every day. Men get to do that. Women "have to" wear fancy clothes.

This is something that needs to be fixed. Men need to be made to feel that they cannot just wear whatever they want.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Seabass » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:36 am

Forty Two wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:01 pm
Now, if we leave pop music and go to rock -- which is currently on life-support and not looking good right now
Is it on life support? There's a discussion of that topic here:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1502710
The topic starter is an obstinate cunt though, so I'd give him a wide berth. :coffee:
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Post by laklak » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:46 am

I don't care what people say, rock and roll is here to stay.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:46 am


Seabass wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:01 pm
Now, if we leave pop music and go to rock -- which is currently on life-support and not looking good right now
Is it on life support? There's a discussion of that topic here:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1502710
The topic starter is an obstinate cunt though, so I'd give him a wide berth. :coffee:


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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:38 am

Punks not dead - it just sold out to the man.



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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Forty Two » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:49 pm

Jason wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:18 am
Forty Two wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:05 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:04 pm
I wonder if they've considered that Beyonce looks great in her outfit and Ed looks like a slob in his.
They did, and that was the problem. Ed Sheeran is privileged because "we" allow - allow - him to "feel" as if it's "o.k." to dress like that, but women "have to" wear great outfits, like Beyonce'. LOL

It's tangential to the crisis that occurred over Zuckerberg wearing the same thing every day. Men get to do that. Women "have to" wear fancy clothes.

This is something that needs to be fixed. Men need to be made to feel that they cannot just wear whatever they want.
Government issued unisex uniforms are the answer here. I'm partial to a reflective silver onesie.
For men. Nobody should tell a woman what she can and cannot wear. :{D
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:09 pm

Kevin Hart Steps Down as Oscar Host

--conformity's a motherfucker eh?

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:12 pm

Not surprising.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:17 pm

Opens the door a chink for Kevin Bacon though.
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Post by Seabass » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 pm

The Wisconsin power grab is part of a bigger Republican attack on democracy
The GOP’s turn against democracy may be a greater threat to the American experiment than President Trump.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -democracy

Democracy is premised on the idea that political power is only legitimate when exercised with the consent of the governed. But in reality, people disagree about fundamental political and moral issues; no elected government will ever have 100 percent support of the population, or anything close to it. The purpose of a democratic political system is to bridge that gap: to create a system for resolving these disagreements that everyone thinks is fair. That way, everyone will accept the outcome of the election as basically legitimate even when their side loses.

The post-election power grabs amount to Republicans declaring that they no longer accept that fundamental bargain. They do not believe it’s legitimate when they lose, or that they are obligated to hand over power to Democrats because that’s what’s required in a fair system. Political power, to the state legislators in question, matters more than the core bargain of democracy.

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There’s also a broader context. Republicans have, for years now, engaged in a systematic and nationally coordinated effort to rewrite the rules of the political game in their favor. What’s happening in Wisconsin and Michigan is only the latest manifestation of a broader anti-democratic trend, which in the past decade or so has become part of the party’s identity.

The spread of extreme partisan gerrymandering and voter ID laws, tools used by Republicans to marginalize minorities and other Democratic-leaning constituencies, are the most obvious examples.

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) wrote draft legislation that Republican state legislatures around the country quickly and easily adapted into their own voter ID laws. Another effort, Project REDMAP, an initiative of the Republican State Leadership Committee, was a national coordinating committee helping Republicans at the state level put together extreme partisan gerrymanders in the wake of their sweeping 2010 victories.

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And there is simply no parallel on the other side. While state Democrats have certainly gerrymandered — Maryland being a particularly egregious case — it’s not nearly as nationally systematic as it has been on the Republican side. And Democrats certainly have not engaged in large-scale efforts to suppress Republican voters or strip powers from Republican officials after they win office. Republican officials don’t seem to feel constrained by the basic, principled norms of democracy the way that Democrats are.

“There’s really an assault on electoral fairness, I would say, in Republican-governed states,” Daniel Ziblatt, a Harvard professor and author of How Democracies Die, tells me. “It’s really only in Republican-governed states where this has taken place.”
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:51 pm

The thing about representative democracy is not that those elected are simply given a power to rule but that they are charged with a duty to represent the interests of all citizens, not just those who voted for them. Fundamental to that principle is an obligation upon the elected to maintain a level political playing field. Those who would fix it so that they are always playing downhill while everybody else has to play uphill have violated that principle, and should therefore forfeit their right to represent the people.
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Post by laklak » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:19 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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...a chink for Kevin Bacon ...

Nah, but I'd consider one of those Bollywood babes.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:57 am

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:51 pm
The thing about representative democracy is not that those elected are simply given a power to rule but that they are charged with a duty to represent the interests of all citizens, not just those who voted for them. Fundamental to that principle is an obligation upon the elected to maintain a level political playing field. Those who would fix it some that they are always playing downhill while everybody else has to play uphill have violated that principle, and should therefore forfeit their right to represent the people.
When the basic rules were put into place surely they must have realised it was not democratic. The electoral college is a travesty. Not even the same rules apply to each state. You only have win three states to win.
The Senate with two members for each state is totally not democratic in any way.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:34 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:51 pm
they are charged with a duty to represent the interests of all citizens, not just those who voted for them.
Not all issues have a middle ground.

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