Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
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Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Probably the absence of genocide as a central tenet? I agree communism is up there as pretty evil, all things considered.
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Because Che was good looking and people are stupid as fuck.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
well, it might not be a central tyenet, in the theory books, but it sure has been a major element of implementation whether under Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot, and I may be forgetting some...Strontium Dog wrote:Probably the absence of genocide as a central tenet? I agree communism is up there as pretty evil, all things considered.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
I do not accept the premise. In the US at least, communism was aggressively stamped out during the Cold War and is still hated to this day, whereas alt-right Nazi fucks are numerous enough to have put a fat, fascist, racist prick in the White House.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Nazism is the worst of two evils. You could ask a high school kid about Hitler and he would explain something about it. You could as the same kid about Stalin and if they took history they would go "yeah, wasn't he a bad dude too? And he was in World War II." And that would be it. Marx is obscure to most people.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Reason #3 Intellectuals are seduced by words
Yep. Right. In contrast nobody is seduced by the lofty ideals of capitalism. Really not at all. Capitalism is intrinsically nothing but beneficial to humankind. We simply know that. Nothing to do with words, let alone their seductive power.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Me either. I've only ever seen a tiny handful of whacky Marxists defend the likes of the USSR, and even then it's with caveats.Seabass wrote:I do not accept the premise.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Same here. I only hear Fascist/Nazi and Marxist/Communist name calling from wingnuts, left and right respectively. Regular folks just call a twat a twat.pErvinalia wrote:Me either. I've only ever seen a tiny handful of whacky Marxists defend the likes of the USSR, and even then it's with caveats.Seabass wrote:I do not accept the premise.
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Stalinism is State Monopoly Capitalism, the exact opposite of Communism.Tero wrote:Nazism is the worst of two evils. You could ask a high school kid about Hitler and he would explain something about it. You could as the same kid about Stalin and if they took history they would go "yeah, wasn't he a bad dude too? And he was in World War II." And that would be it. Marx is obscure to most people.
Feel free to provide examples of workers control of the means of production in Stalin's Soviet Union, if you disagree.
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He and the OP are obviously referring to what has become known as communism. Communism is technically nothing like the USSR etc, but it's probably a utopian fantasy. I can't see how it could ever work at a large scale.
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Re: Why Isn't Communism Viewed As Negatively as Nazism?
Arguably the ideology of communism - its ultimate goal is a kind of social justice. It conceptualises a future society where production is for use, not profit, and there is free access to all that’s produced. Work would be entered into voluntarily and the resources of the world would be freely available to everyone. Such a society will be established, so the thinking goes, when the overwhelming majority of the worlds workers understand the concept and want to organise themselves to make it happen.
That, for many people, especially those at the sharp end of the Capitalist system, is a pretty attractive goal. The devil, of course, is in the detail and all the major states that have attempted it have ended up with oppressive totalitarian systems so far.
Nazism has no such high ideas. National Socialism was arguably tied to Germany and was Germany specific, growing as it did in great part out of the ruinous reparations they were forced to make after WW1. Their policies were demands in great part and associated with regaining land lost after WW1, German identity, racism and so on.
There is nothing attractive about Nazism to most of us, whereas Communism, I would suggest, holds - or held - out the prospect of hope to millions of people living in poverty.
That, for many people, especially those at the sharp end of the Capitalist system, is a pretty attractive goal. The devil, of course, is in the detail and all the major states that have attempted it have ended up with oppressive totalitarian systems so far.
Nazism has no such high ideas. National Socialism was arguably tied to Germany and was Germany specific, growing as it did in great part out of the ruinous reparations they were forced to make after WW1. Their policies were demands in great part and associated with regaining land lost after WW1, German identity, racism and so on.
There is nothing attractive about Nazism to most of us, whereas Communism, I would suggest, holds - or held - out the prospect of hope to millions of people living in poverty.
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This of course is correct. The basic structure of the USSR was good for the vast majority of the population. It was hard work but considering where it had come from great advances were made. The problems arose with the party structure. This shadowed the governmental committees and was given more power. Being a member of the party gave many extra benefits. It was where corruption appeared along with extreme power which Stalin misused. This was clearly shown in Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. The basic structure did work but it was the party that ruined it. Many East Europeans miss the good old days of full employment and social adhesion.pErvinalia wrote:He and the OP are obviously referring to what has become known as communism. Communism is technically nothing like the USSR etc, but it's probably a utopian fantasy. I can't see how it could ever work at a large scale.
What other system would have survived Stalingrad? Thank goodness it did.
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