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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Hermit » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:17 pm

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Brian Peacock wrote:Who among us is a Marxist? Come on now - hands up.
We're waiting for you, Hermit... ;)
Not me. I'm too grouchy for Marxism.

Although I have studied Marxism for a couple of years and have come to appreciate Marx's analysis of capitalism in the course of it, I have never subscribed to his revolutionary program nor the dictatorship of the proletariat even though I do realise that capitalists will never give way to democratic socialism without a fight. This was one of my lecturers on the subject. This was another. The best thing about them was that they approached Marxism from different angles. György Markus adopted György Lukács's and Wal Suchting Louis Althusser's. I also studied the Russian revolution in the history department for a year, where E.H. Carr's first three volumes of A History of Soviet Russia, covering 1917-23, were among the set texts.

Yes, Coito, the universities of the 60s and 70s were riddled with Marxist academics. Unlike your current toddlers they were truly of "The Left", but the leftist apocalypse never happened. When our liberal Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam, was ousted in controversial circumstances by the arch-conservative Malcolm Fraser in 1975, Gough called on the electorate to maintain its rage, but we got busy trying to maintain our wage instead. And then came the me-generation with its disco dancing and Abba. The sky did not fall.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Animavore » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:23 pm

I don't really know anything about Marx except he made a load of funny movies. I'm more Nietzschean.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:34 am

Forty Two wrote:
pErvin wrote:If this thread attracts discussion, it will cover the exact same arguments as the other threads on this broader topic. And while that's not necessarily a problem, it is when we have to keep referring you back to previous statements because your memory is shit and/or you're are engaging in dishonesty.
You are a piece of work. Someone as flagrantly dishonest as you has no business accusing other people. I think it's pathological with you. Probably part of your other "problems."
Except that I am not dishonest, and you have no hope of showing I am. You, on the other hand, are regularly shown to be dishonest and outright lying (see my signature for a good example). You really seem to have no clue how you are perceived here.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:35 am

Forty Two wrote:...and, of course, here it is happening again... it's not enough for folks who are not interested in a topic to simply go to other topics in which they have an interest. It's not enough for them to ask an admin to merge threads they think ought to be merged. Some folks have to piss all over a thread and try to ruin any conversation that might be had among those who are interested. That says more about folks who do that than about anyone or anything else....
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Hermit » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:50 am

At a memorial site for the London Bridge attack victims, several Muslim families have been handing out roses attached with a message declaring their disgust at the violence of extremism. Link
‘You’re not welcome in our community either in life or in death’

Scores more imams and Muslim religious leaders have said they will not perform funeral prayers for the perpetrators of the London Bridge attack, bringing the number of signatories to a statement to more than 200.

...

The statement was intended to deter extremists who believe that acts of jihad will be rewarded in the hereafter, said Rehanah Sadiq, an Islamic teacher.
Not enough, I suppose, until all 2.8 million Muslims living in the UK dress up in sackcloth and ashes and shout in unison: "Death to all Islamic terrorists!"

EDIT: Ooops, wrong thread.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:52 am

Yeah, fuck those social justice warrior Muslims on US college campuses!! :hehe:
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by rainbow » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:40 am

Forty Two wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:Forty Two : you can talk about whatever you want to but do not expect any of the liberals here to like it so ignore them
and post away. They can not stop you and do not have to read it anyway. Post whatever you want to. No one here cares
They seem to care, since they derail threads and constantly post in threads they say they aren't interested in. PErvin asked me a question about how many of "these" threads to "we" need. I answered his question. The reason I created a new thread is because for some reason threads which are unrelated, but in the same general topic area, were merged, making sort of an omnibus thread. Within that thread was Trump derail created by the usual suspects which sent the conversation off in a different direction entirely, having nothing to do with even the basic subject matter. .
I suggest you create a safe space where those like yourself can go to cry openly, and perhaps colour in some pictures.

You might also try interpretive dance therapy.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:18 am

pErvin wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
pErvin wrote:If this thread attracts discussion, it will cover the exact same arguments as the other threads on this broader topic. And while that's not necessarily a problem, it is when we have to keep referring you back to previous statements because your memory is shit and/or you're are engaging in dishonesty.
You are a piece of work. Someone as flagrantly dishonest as you has no business accusing other people. I think it's pathological with you. Probably part of your other "problems."
Except that I am not dishonest, and you have no hope of showing I am. You, on the other hand, are regularly shown to be dishonest and outright lying (see my signature for a good example). You really seem to have no clue how you are perceived here.
Except that you are, very often. I'm not going to go round and round again, chasing my tail over your bullshit. And, I don't care a bit what you think about other people's perceptions.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:20 am

[quote="pErvin"

Fuck you are a snowflake.[/quote]

Man, you really do have problems.
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Re: A theory on the college campus issues.

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:26 pm

Yes, I have problems with dishonest people and those who can't accept being wrong about something.
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:36 pm

rainbow wrote: "Inquisitions Must Stop"
:doh: :doh: :doh:
That's the title of the fucking article. It's not something I said. It's the title of the article, and it's posted in the "news" section. It's news. For the love of Pete, man... anyone can discuss the issue as they see fit.

And, suggesting that an "inquisition" (and official, punitive tribunal) should stop is about the same thing as saying police brutality should stop. Do you really think that's "suggesting that people stop doing something" on this forum (like....stop discussing particular topics)? Jesus.
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Re: A theory on the college campus issues.

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:43 pm

pErvin wrote:Yes, I have problems with dishonest people and those who can't accept being wrong about something.

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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by rainbow » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:09 am

Forty Two wrote:
rainbow wrote: "Inquisitions Must Stop"
:doh: :doh: :doh:
That's the title of the fucking article. It's not something I said. It's the title of the article, and it's posted in the "news" section. It's news.
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You posted it because you disagreed with it?
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Re: The Ongoing Campus Inquisitions Must Stop

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:33 pm

rainbow wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
rainbow wrote: "Inquisitions Must Stop"
:doh: :doh: :doh:
That's the title of the fucking article. It's not something I said. It's the title of the article, and it's posted in the "news" section. It's news.
:fp:
You posted it because you disagreed with it?
:fp:
I posted it for discussion. I don't agree with everything I post. I don't think I would call campus protests "inquisitions," actually. I would call certain tribunals at colleges and certain administrative procedures "inquisitions."
rainbow wrote: :whisper: Buy yourself a bigger shovel :whisper:
It's the title of the article. If you were paying attention, you'd see that the "telling other people to stop doing things" reference related to this message board, and that I wasn't telling people to stop posting and such, whereas certain other folks are going around trying to stop conversations.

On various issues, of course I'm going to favor stopping people from doing things. If there is oppressive government or administrative conduct, I want that to stop, yes.
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Re: A theory on the college campus issues.

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:19 am

pErvin, this is a reminder that the following post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1710977
contains a personal attack on a fellow member. Please desist in future.
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