New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orders.

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by laklak » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:32 pm

Nobody ever figured our if Pat was male, female, or other.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:34 pm

It's like me and Caddy Shack. I could never work out if it was Mr Zesterhaus or Mrs Esterhaus. It sounded more like the latter, so I laugh. It works for me...
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:55 pm

laklak wrote:Nobody ever figured our if Pat was male, female, or other.

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You'd never see that sketch made today. Too problematic now. It's offensive to trans people and genderqueer or non-binary people, or people of ambiguous sexual characteristics. It's a horrible, various-phobic sketch. It's probably considered hate speech today.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:58 pm

eRv wrote:It's like me and Caddy Shack. I could never work out if it was Mr Zesterhaus or Mrs Esterhaus. It sounded more like the latter, so I laugh. It works for me...
That's Caddyshack II, isn't it? You should fined for making a Caddyshack II reference....
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by JimC » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:07 pm

"Pat went out drinking with his mates. Later, they bought cigarettes"

Well, that confuses me, but maybe I'm easily confused... ;)
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:27 am

Yeah, but that wasn't the example. In that case, if you wanted to refer to Pat, you would write "Pat went out drinking with his mates. Later, Pat bought cigarettes".
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:11 am

eRv wrote:Yeah, but that wasn't the example. In that case, if you wanted to refer to Pat, you would write "Pat went out drinking with his mates. Later, Pat bought cigarettes".
Some in this thread have been arguing that you can always replace he or she with they without causing confusion. I've shown that there at least some cases where that is not possible. From that, I'm not implying that it would always be confusing, either...

Overall, I don't think that the singular "they" is a good answer to those relatively rare occasions where he/she is problematic.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:13 am

JimC wrote:
eRv wrote:Yeah, but that wasn't the example. In that case, if you wanted to refer to Pat, you would write "Pat went out drinking with his mates. Later, Pat bought cigarettes".
Some in this thread have been arguing that you can always replace he or she with they without causing confusion.
Have they? I thought it was always in the context of a singular subject.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:23 am

eRv wrote:
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eRv wrote:Yeah, but that wasn't the example. In that case, if you wanted to refer to Pat, you would write "Pat went out drinking with his mates. Later, Pat bought cigarettes".
Some in this thread have been arguing that you can always replace he or she with they without causing confusion.
Have they? I thought it was always in the context of a singular subject.
Singular or plural? :hehe:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:24 am

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:45 am

They would say that though wouldn't they?
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:46 am

It should be:

They - singular

Theys - plural

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:34 am

Now the real butchering of English has begun... :nono:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:44 am

Well, we use "youse" here in Straya... :hehe:
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:59 am

But to criticise that would be to be ethnically discriminatory!
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