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Ok, in the cold light of day, now that my mind is allegedly clearer, I can see what you were trying to say, I think. A UBI wouldn't end up being taxed if the tax free threshold of the taxation system was raised by the same amount (or more) than the amount of the UBI. So it will only be "the zero point of taxation" IF you had no tax-free threshold before the UBI (i.e. in your current taxation system). Australia has a tax free threshold, something I assumed most advanced nations would have too. I see that the Dutch don't for some reason (it would want to be a good reason, as taxing the poorest in society is very regressive). So in your case you were thinking that a tax-free threshold would be introduced and it would be set at the value (or higher) of the UBI. In such a case, then the UBI wouldn't be taxed.pErvin wrote:Your two sentences are incompatible. It can't be both not taxed and taxed. What you describe in your last sentence is what I just proposed. It's a pity you seem so fucking woeful at reading what is clearly written.Scot Dutchy wrote:Taxing it has no point. It should be the zero point of taxation and everything above should taxed progressively.
But to return to the original point, there would be a point in taxing it. It makes it a progressive (as opposed to a flat/regressive) payment. The poorer you are, the more UBI you receive. And as we already have the tax bureaucracy in place (and it would have to remain in place while ever you have a tax system), there is no efficiency saving by not taxing it.
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Not playing on wxords with GST or stuff, you know many places that don't have it?
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Dunno. We only got it less than 20 yrs ago or so.
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In many countries essential items are VAT exempt.Svartalf wrote:bare survival income is ALREADY taxed by the VAT the people receiving it pay when buying anything.pErvin wrote:Yes, and it's TAXED above that. You said "Taxing it has no point". You can't hold both positions and make sense, dipshit.
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here the vat on so called 'essentials' is lower, but it's still 5.5%, far from negligible, and there there's the stuff that's not classified as 'essential low tax', but hard to do without, like booze...
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I can do fine without booze.
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Blasphemy!
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You brew your own. Where is the problem?Svartalf wrote:here the vat on so called 'essentials' is lower, but it's still 5.5%, far from negligible, and there there's the stuff that's not classified as 'essential low tax', but hard to do without, like booze...
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You have to have a licence to brew alcohol. Also, I think there is an additional tax on alcohol in France for producing alcohol.
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In Oz, you can brew your own beer or make your own wine, but you can't distill...
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That is what I was trying to explain.pErvin wrote: I see that the Dutch don't for some reason (it would want to be a good reason, as taxing the poorest in society is very regressive). So in your case you were thinking that a tax-free threshold would be introduced and it would be set at the value (or higher) of the UBI. In such a case, then the UBI wouldn't be taxed.
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I'd be surprised if you had to have one to brew at home for personal consumption. And even if you did, how would they ever know whether you had one or not? I'd extend my middle finger to that notion, and then brew some alcohol.NineBerry wrote:You have to have a licence to brew alcohol.
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I see that now. The weird thing is that you don't have a tax free threshold. If I could be arsed I'd look up to see what the prevailing trend is around the developed world. I'd assume that most social democracies would have a tax free threshold. It's terribly (relatively) regressive to tax the poor. Can't understand why any modern social democracy would do that.Scot Dutchy wrote:That is what I was trying to explain.pErvin wrote: I see that the Dutch don't for some reason (it would want to be a good reason, as taxing the poorest in society is very regressive). So in your case you were thinking that a tax-free threshold would be introduced and it would be set at the value (or higher) of the UBI. In such a case, then the UBI wouldn't be taxed.
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...so you don't tell them about it.NineBerry wrote:You have to have a licence to brew alcohol. Also, I think there is an additional tax on alcohol in France for producing alcohol.
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