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Post by JimC » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:39 am

It need only be tiny traces, but I'm pretty sure it would need to be ingested, not breathed in. The problem allergens are proteins, which are not volatile compounds...
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:47 am

yeah, I wasn't being serious there. I was trying to think of something more farcical sounding that biting on a peanut and a tiny fragment flew out of your mouth into another's mouth. Actually, that sounds more farcical. I'm changing my story to that!
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Post by Animavore » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:54 am

Fear of litigation, not snowflakery, is all that's going on here.
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Post by rainbow » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:40 am

laklak wrote:
What next? Maternity leave for my fucking blender? Paid vacation for the espresso machine? What if the oven decides to go on strike?

We live in an absurd world.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:15 pm

laklak wrote:It will eventually be an issue, when AI is truly self-aware. Blade Runner, here we come.
More human than human.

And, eventually, people will look back on us as the last generation of humans who were not combined with AI. Humanity will be changing.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:30 pm

rachelbean wrote:
laklak wrote:I understand the PB&J thing. My nephew's wife is horribly allergic to peanuts, even leaving some out in a bowl can trigger a massive anaphylactic event.

OTOH, "get tough or die".
Yeah, except for the studies that have shown even those with the worst allergies have at most, minor reactions when coming into skin contact. I'm curious where the idea comes from what you stated above...is this a fear or grounded in evidence? Also, don't get me wrong, I understand people can die from peanut allergies and it's very serious, but it is from ingestion and not from general contact from what I can see.
I found the outrage expressed in the comments to that article to be hilarious and over-the-top, like when people freak out over a kid in a car on a 70 degree F day with the engine running outside of a 7-Eleven store. One might understand commentary that says that people ought not do that, or that there are a number of tragic accidents that result from this kind of thing in other circumstances. But, what one usually hears is "jail the parents! Lock them in a car all day and see how they like it! Call child protective services! Break the window and take the kids away from these monsters!"

With the peanut allergy thing, one might envision another set of comments toward parents who don't give their kids peanut butter early on in life, since the science shows that if babies and toddlers are allowed to taste peanut butter, it prevents an allergy to it from forming. So, are the parents who shield their kids from peanut butter the monstrous, immoral, evil people? Or, is it just the mom who gives her kid a sandwich at the supermarket?

Maybe the mom should have just fed the kid a tunafish sandwich, since fish allergies are not as well-publicized as peanut allergies.
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Post by laklak » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:08 pm

She's gone into anaphylactic shock sitting next to someone on an airplane who opened a bag of peanuts. She's also gone into shock out of the blue, idiopathic anaphylaxis. There have been many hospitalizations. She's been to every specialist money and a surgeon husband can buy, to no avail. Whether she's actually allergic to peanuts or the peanuts trigger the idiopathic reaction in some way is unknown. She reacts strongly to peanut proteins in skin tests, as well as tree nuts (to a lesser degree). I've no idea if she was fed peanuts at an early age but knowing her mother I'd bet not. I have no doubt there is a psychosomatic component, but the reaction is real. It's sort of like arguing over whether we're real or living in a computer simulation.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:21 pm

laklak wrote:She's gone into anaphylactic shock sitting next to someone on an airplane who opened a bag of peanuts. She's also gone into shock out of the blue, idiopathic anaphylaxis. There have been many hospitalizations. She's been to every specialist money and a surgeon husband can buy, to no avail. Whether she's actually allergic to peanuts or the peanuts trigger the idiopathic reaction in some way is unknown. She reacts strongly to peanut proteins in skin tests, as well as tree nuts (to a lesser degree). I've no idea if she was fed peanuts at an early age but knowing her mother I'd bet not. I have no doubt there is a psychosomatic component, but the reaction is real. It's sort of like arguing over whether we're real or living in a computer simulation.
Anaphylaxictic shock, per se, should not occur because of being near peanuts.
One would have to ingest the proteins in the peanuts to have a reaction.
https://www.allergicliving.com/experts/ ... eanutnuts/

The psychosomatic aspect is more likely, I think - when referring to a reaction to someone opening a bag of peanuts.

I was on an airplane once and some lady had her kid on there, and she handed out little notes to everyone around her. The note explained her kid was allergic to peanuts and she asked politely that people not open their peanuts. So, I didn't open my peanut bag. I have noticed that rarely do they serve peanuts on planes anymore. I think it's mostly pretzels.
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Post by JimC » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:55 pm

Forty Two wrote:
laklak wrote:She's gone into anaphylactic shock sitting next to someone on an airplane who opened a bag of peanuts. She's also gone into shock out of the blue, idiopathic anaphylaxis. There have been many hospitalizations. She's been to every specialist money and a surgeon husband can buy, to no avail. Whether she's actually allergic to peanuts or the peanuts trigger the idiopathic reaction in some way is unknown. She reacts strongly to peanut proteins in skin tests, as well as tree nuts (to a lesser degree). I've no idea if she was fed peanuts at an early age but knowing her mother I'd bet not. I have no doubt there is a psychosomatic component, but the reaction is real. It's sort of like arguing over whether we're real or living in a computer simulation.
Anaphylaxictic shock, per se, should not occur because of being near peanuts.
One would have to ingest the proteins in the peanuts to have a reaction.
https://www.allergicliving.com/experts/ ... eanutnuts/

The psychosomatic aspect is more likely, I think - when referring to a reaction to someone opening a bag of peanuts.

I was on an airplane once and some lady had her kid on there, and she handed out little notes to everyone around her. The note explained her kid was allergic to peanuts and she asked politely that people not open their peanuts. So, I didn't open my peanut bag. I have noticed that rarely do they serve peanuts on planes anymore. I think it's mostly pretzels.
Another possibility, unlikely but not impossible, is that the bag of peanuts was open in a rush, and a cloud of peanut "dust" spread in the air, with tiny fragments either breathed in or landing on her lips. When I was teaching, there was a woman in our staffroom severely allergic to aspirin. I sat at the desk near her, and one day I put one of those fizzy, dissolving aspirin in a glass on my desk. She noticed the tingling in her lips which was her first symptom, presumably from the fine cloud spread via the bubbling. I took the glass away, and always took my aspirin away from her in future...
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:32 pm

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... oo-1100975

I had to laugh at the image with this article. It's about what male comedians are doing differently in NYC now that the metoo thing has gone on for while.

I just wonder how this gets past the editor. If you wanted to portray a group as killjoy and ruining the fun by being overly serious or sensitive about comedy, this image does a good job of it. "Go ahead, funnyman, make us laugh! Say whatever you want...."
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Post by laklak » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:39 pm

I'd start with the old Andrew Dice Clay line - "Which one of you fillies wants to come home with me, cook me a steak, and give me a blow job?"
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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:11 pm

A counterpoint to the relentless drumbeat about 'left wing scum' and no-platforming at elite secular institutions of higher education in the US.

'The Invisible Free Speech Crisis'
Shane Claiborne is not an imposing presence. A Christian pacifist, he’s known within evangelical circles for his opposition to the death penalty, for his embrace of immigrants and refugees, and for helping found an intentional community in Philadelphia called the Simple Way. He’s a regular visitor to Christian college campuses. On Friday, Claiborne, working alongside a prominent roster of Christian leaders that included the Rev. William J. Barber, held a revival in Lynchburg, Virginia. Lynchburg being the home of Liberty University, Claiborne reached out to Liberty’s president, Jerry Falwell Jr., to invite him to come pray with fellow Christians. But this weekend, Claiborne reported that Falwell had refused his invitation. Further, Liberty’s campus police department threatened him with arrest if he set a toe on campus.

What’s so dangerous about a Christian pacifist? Claiborne did not come to Lynchburg to burn the Falwell family’s city upon a hill. In fact, he shares a number of positions with Liberty’s leadership, including on abortion. It appears that Falwell’s objection to Claiborne stems from the latter’s commitment to non-violence; he is set to publish a new book making the Christian case for gun control.

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The no-platforming of Shane Claiborne inspired no outrage outside the evangelical world. There were no columns about it in The New York Times, The Washington Post, or New York magazine. Bill Maher has not invited dissenting students onto his television show, even though they exist. Erin Covey, a Liberty journalism major, told Religion News Service on Saturday that Falwell himself blocked her from covering Claiborne’s revival for the student newspaper. “I do think that currently the level of oversight we have does make it difficult to pursue the accurate journalism that we’re taught in classes,” she told RNS.

There are important differences between the no-platforming of controversial speakers at secular universities and the wholesale suppression of speech at Christian universities, starting with the latter’s competing claim of freedom of religion. But Falwell’s actions violate the purpose of even a Christian university, which retains a mission to develop the intellect. There is a free speech crisis on campus, but it’s not at Yale or Middlebury. It’s at Liberty University and schools like it.

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Everyone wants to talk about who gets to speak on campus now. The question is a worthy one, considered on its own. Who does get to speak on campus? It depends on who you are, and where you are located. Often, it depends on power.

There are many who argue, in the pages of this country’s most respected periodicals, that this power lies with the intolerant left. But the evidence of real, widespread speech suppression shows it lies elsewhere, on the right. This, in turn, suggests that the ostensible champions of free speech are more interested in criticizing campus identity politics than in protecting speech.

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Post by Seabass » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:18 pm

I would totally be worried about all this voter suppression if feminists and SJWs didn't pose such an enormous and immediate threat to democracy.






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Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:29 am

The great democracy that is the USA. What a joke.
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