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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Svartalf » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:32 pm

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There is no Alt Left. No such group exists.
Actually, far left wing groups like what remains of the Cultural Revolution style of Maoists, or the violent groups like antifa would count as alt left in my book.
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Post by JimC » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:50 am

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I hear what you and Hermit are saying, but I'm still talking about the use of violent means for political ends, and while you're both turning the screw on 'their politics justifies our action' we're clearly still at the beginning of that conversation.
I have no problem with robust and noisy protests at any or all alt-right/racist/neo-Nazi marches, plus being prepared for self-defence. Beyond that, deliberate violence without being hit first would be hard to justify, IMO, unless the political climate deteriorated to an alarming extent. Violent tactics that are not self-defence invite a response of "both sides are just thugs" from the majority of people...
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Animavore » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:52 am

Svartalf wrote:
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Animavore wrote:
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There is no Alt Left. No such group exists.
Actually, far left wing groups like what remains of the Cultural Revolution style of Maoists, or the violent groups like antifa would count as alt left in my book.
Doesn't matter what you think. There is no group called the Alt Left.
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:47 am

because there are groups actually claiming claiming the lat right label?
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:51 am

Absolutely. Where have you been for the last couple of years?
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:53 am

under a rock, and I thought that the alt right label was stuck on them by outside parties, like the self designated "traditional right".
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:57 am

No, they've got their own websites. Alt-right.com for example.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:59 am

dumbasses will be dumb
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Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:27 am

Svartalf wrote:
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because there are groups actually claiming claiming the lat right label?
The Wikipedia about this:
White supremacist Richard B. Spencer initially promoted the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism and according to the Associated Press did so to disguise overt racism, white supremacism, neo-fascism and neo-Nazism.
"Alt right" preceded Spencer by years, though. Not that it matters; It's a label members of the e alt-right have applied to themselves. There used to be - and probably still is - a rather busy irc channel operational since before the creation of the world wide web going by the name "alt.right". The members' political and social views could best be described as alt-right. So Spencer or not, the label is a self description.
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Post by Animavore » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:32 am

...and by calling opponents to these arseholes the "alt left" you play into their propaganda. It is a smear tactic designed to make out that those who oppose white supremacy, racism, and genocide are somehow just as bad. Or an inversion of Trump's "There's good people on both sides."

Like I said on the previous page, it's meaningless to call opponents of the Alt Right the "Alt Left" because it means any one who isn't them. And they have called everyone left of them the "alt left", from BLM to Islam(?!).
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:39 am

Animavore wrote:
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...and by calling opponents to these arseholes the "alt left" you play into their propaganda. It is a smear tactic designed to make out that those who oppose white supremacy, racism, and genocide are somehow just as bad. Or an inversion of Trump's "There's good people on both sides."

Like I said on the previous page, it's meaningless to call opponents of the Alt Right the "Alt Left" because it means any one who isn't them. And they have called everyone left of them the "alt left", from BLM to Islam(?!).
You're right, of course, too bad I said sily stuff from being insufficiently informed.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:47 am

You need to be punished! :lou:
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Re: Problematic Stuff

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Post by Animavore » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:00 am

Did the Nazis label their opponents "Opposite Nazis"?
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Jason » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:07 am

Which opponents when? The Nazis had many opponents, some internal, at different times.

It's a silly thing to say anyway. Are we using what the Nazis did as our moral rubric?

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