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Cognitive dissonance

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:30 am

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.
So why am I increasingly seeing and hearing people using it to describe the polar opposite? ie. Comfortably holding mutually contradictory beliefs. :dunno:

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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by JimC » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:06 am

My take is that the phenomenon is often seen in a positive light, in that recognising such a state is a catalyst for intellectual progress.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Hermit » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:56 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:why am I increasingly seeing and hearing people using it to describe the polar opposite? ie. Comfortably holding mutually contradictory beliefs. :dunno:
When people mistake the meaning of cognitive dissonance in the manner you describe, they are actually referring to a collection of techniques aimed at avoiding the discomfort the dissonance creates. That collection is known as compartmentalisation. You can put that down to creeping cretinisation (Verdummung) borne of laziness.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:40 am

...borne of laziness, and/or social necessity.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Hermit » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:42 am

Not sure where necessity comes in. Would you settle for inevitability?
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by cronus » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:02 am

Schizophrenia is no longer available as a split mind term on account of mental health education progs? so folks use cognitive dissonance instead? It sounds educated rather than dumb-ass ill informed, which it still is? :coffee:
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by PsychoSerenity » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:16 am

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:why am I increasingly seeing and hearing people using it to describe the polar opposite? ie. Comfortably holding mutually contradictory beliefs. :dunno:
When people mistake the meaning of cognitive dissonance in the manner you describe, they are actually referring to a collection of techniques aimed at avoiding the discomfort the dissonance creates. That collection is known as compartmentalisation. You can put that down to creeping cretinisation (Verdummung) borne of laziness.
Compartmentalization is an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance, or the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person's having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc. within themselves.
I first started using it incorrectly because that's how other people were already using it when I heard about it, and I didn't learn the precise definitions until later.

There is of course a very close relationship between the two, despite from one point of view being opposites. Much of the time people probably don't walk around spending their lives feeling the discomfort of cognitive dissonance because instead they immediately and unconsciously compartmentalise. If someone is significantly compartmentalising separate contradictory beliefs then it's likely that it is the result of cognitive dissonance. I think whether it's correct to say someone is experiencing cognitive dissonance when they are compartmentalising in this way is a matter of definitions. It could be argued that on some level they are experiencing it, and that experience manifests in the form of an avoidant defence mechanism. Are you experiencing abuse or violence if you run away from it? Or do you have to stand there taking punches in order to be considered experiencing it?

Definitions of words change all the time for all sorts of reasons, whether because of imprecision in usage or because they naturally expand to absorb other meanings. There are plenty of auto-antonyms - words which also mean the opposite of themselves. There's no reason cognitive dissonance couldn't mean the feeling of discomfort and the methods of reducing that discomfort, if that's how people use the word.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Hermit » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:32 am

PsychoSerenity wrote:There's no reason cognitive dissonance couldn't mean the feeling of discomfort and the methods of reducing that discomfort, if that's how people use the word.
I can think of one for using a word in the right context: The ability to communicate what you mean.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:44 am

Hermit wrote:Not sure where necessity comes in. Would you settle for inevitability?
Yeah, I'd settle for that.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by PsychoSerenity » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:13 am

Hermit wrote:
PsychoSerenity wrote:There's no reason cognitive dissonance couldn't mean the feeling of discomfort and the methods of reducing that discomfort, if that's how people use the word.
I can think of one for using a word in the right context: The ability to communicate what you mean.
Language is constantly evolving, and if you need to be precise then sometimes you need to define the way in which you are using a particular word, but it doesn't stop people communicating. If definitions never changed we wouldn't have got beyond pointing and grunting.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Hermit » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:23 am

PsychoSerenity wrote:
Hermit wrote:
PsychoSerenity wrote:There's no reason cognitive dissonance couldn't mean the feeling of discomfort and the methods of reducing that discomfort, if that's how people use the word.
I can think of one for using a word in the right context: The ability to communicate what you mean.
Language is constantly evolving, and if you need to be precise then sometimes you need to define the way in which you are using a particular word, but it doesn't stop people communicating. If definitions never changed we wouldn't have got beyond pointing and grunting.
All true. However, until some sort of consensus regarding the meaning of any particular word is reached attempts to communicating with the use of them can be somewhat ineffective. At the extreme end "You can safely cross an intersection when the red traffic light is lit" is an extreme example of when it is not effective. On the less extreme level is the example of using 'cognitive dissonance' when you mean 'compartmenalisation'.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:31 pm

I've always used it correctly. :tea:

As for why other people always get it wrong, it's like what that guy Dunning Kruger said.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by laklak » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:36 pm

It's more polite to say "I believe you are suffering from a high degree of cognitive dissonance" rather than "FFS you're a stupid cunt".
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:13 pm

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Re: Cognitive dissonance

Post by Animavore » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:32 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.
So why am I increasingly seeing and hearing people using it to describe the polar opposite? ie. Comfortably holding mutually contradictory beliefs. :dunno:

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