Torture? Is it sometimes the right thing?

[cronus]

I'm being topical here. Have no opinion either way. Prefer less torture but I'm going to be dead soon so it doesn't really matter.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Torture is a wonderfully effective way of getting someone to say exactly what you want them to say. Unfortunately, it is a fucking useless way of getting someone to tell the truth.

[cronus]

Torture is a wonderfully effective way of getting someone to say exactly what you want them to say. Unfortunately, it is a fucking useless way of getting someone to tell the truth.

...truth is not always the priority.

[mistermack]

It's been proved that the most practical way to cut out torture, is to re-name it.

What was it Bush and Rumsfeld called it? Enhanced interrogation or summat. Job done.

[pErvinalia]

Well the new report into the CIA/Cheney/Bush torturing states what everyone knew already. It's ineffective at getting accurate intelligence. Will that stop conservatives using it? Nup. That's because torture is about more than getting information out of a person. It's also about the person/system doing the torturing. It's about releasing conservative moral outrage. Seriously, I wish all conservatives would die of bum cancer. They are a fucking cancer on our societies.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Torture is a wonderfully effective way of getting someone to say exactly what you want them to say. Unfortunately, it is a fucking useless way of getting someone to tell the truth.

...truth is not always the priority.

Well, if lying is your priority, then feel free to use as much torture as you like... on someone other than me. Personally, I will tell you any lie you like in order to offset torture. All you need do is tell me the answer you want and that is the one I will give.

[Hermit]

I just heard some CIA mouth piece defending torture. He said it prevented terrorist schemes and saved lives. I was waiting for him to add that it increased George Bush's IQ to 180. Just as credible.

[laklak]

Is this thread about enhanced interrogation techniques or marriage? I sometimes get them confused.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Is this thread about enhanced interrogation techniques or marriage? I sometimes get them confused.

Shhhh!!1!!

Do you want to be scheduled for enhanced marriage?

[piscator]

Is this thread about enhanced interrogation techniques or marriage? I sometimes get them confused.

One has your head in a vise and the other is just a vice, or vise versa.

[JimC]

Is the likely fact that torture does not produce useful information a valid ethical argument against its use?

[pErvinalia]

I'd imagine that torture at times does produce useful information. But the problem is that it would also produce bogus information. So that means it's going to be hard to determine what is useful and what is made up.

[Hermit]

Is the likely fact that torture does not produce useful information a valid ethical argument against its use?

Is the likely fact that rape does not produce cared for offspring a valid ethical argument against its use?

[cronus]

Is the likely fact that torture does not produce useful information a valid ethical argument against its use?

Is the likely fact that rape does not produce cared for offspring a valid ethical argument against its use?

In some religions, Roman Catholicism for instance, where original sin is the central theme and life a gift from God etc.....rape can produce cared for offspring. I imagine the Queen cares about Prince Charles which is why she gave him the lucky name?

[Animavore]

The Senate doesn't think so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world ... .html?_r=0