Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

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Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:50 am

Some things are set. In a universe where anything could happen there'd be no need for a explanation. What sets physical limits? And with enough what's, can't you add a who? as a conjecture...because you make things happen too, you set limits....it is a feature of the concious landscape, and that is the other thing having no observable existence setting limits.
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:51 am

Mind translating that into English??
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by rainbow » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:58 am

Scumple wrote:Some things are set. In a universe where anything could happen there'd be no need for a explanation. What sets physical limits? And with enough what's, can't you add a who? as a conjecture...because you make things happen too, you set limits....it is a feature of the concious landscape, and that is the other thing having no observable existence setting limits.
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:03 pm

Indubitably.
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:09 pm

I knew it. Rationalia is infested with religious fundies. :coffee:
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by Robert_S » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:10 pm

Limits?

The universe has been behaving more or less consistently since we've been making observations of it, but we can't know that the "laws" we observe matter and energy following have always been and/or always will be consistent in all places and in all dimensions. We assume it, but there's no guarantee.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:16 pm

Honestly, I hate these fucking arguments. I'm a strong believer in one of the anthropic principles (the one that makes more sense ;) ). Bascially, the universe could have cycled a bazillion bloody times before this set of laws came along and were right for our existence. We AREN'T special. We are a fluke. No need to invoke a magic man.
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by Robert_S » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:20 pm

rEvolutionist wrote: No need to invoke a magic man.
What if he's got the magic hands?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:37 pm

Robert_S wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote: No need to invoke a magic man.
What if he's got the magic hands?
Could be he's a she and magic knickers? :coffee:
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by Rum » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:41 pm

I think he's back on the booze.

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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:46 pm

Rum wrote:I think he's back on the booze.
I was for a couple of days...quite correct. :cheers: :td: :drunk: :cheers:

Sobering up today though, got to get back on my health mission unfortunately. :read:
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:46 pm

Rum wrote:I think he's back on the booze.
I don't think so. Strangely, I think he made more sense on the booze than off it.. :o
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by Tero » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:00 pm

God can do anything! He can make atoms be twice as big! Light goes twice as fast!

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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:13 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Mind translating that into English??
Seeing Scumps hasn't obliged, let me try.
Scumple wrote:What sets physical limits? And with enough what's, can't you add a who?
Translated, that means: Physical laws exist. Something or someone must have created them. Therefore God.

Close enough, Scumple?
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Re: Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:14 pm

Yeah, I figured as much. But there was a bit of extra salad in there that seemed superfluous to that general thesis. I thought he might have been trying to say something extra. We'll probably never know...
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