Women on top

[Scot Dutchy]

How pathetic . Men are stronger than women. Is that all you got. Cunt you seem to forget men have always oppressed women. They are finally given the room to stand up for themselves.

[Forty Two]

--that's pilots covered

12 solo victories and 4 shared kills over 66 combat missions! --holy sheet--

Indeed, there are many women who can kick men's asses at many things. But, the real question is, would you rather have 500 male pilots flying your F-16s, or 500 female pilots, not knowing anything other than their sex, and assuming that they are a representative sampling of the capabilities of their sex at air-to-air combat. You have to choose a sex, and the 500 female pilots will go up against the 500 male.

Do you think one would be more likely to beat the other? Or, is it a coin toss?

[Sean Hayden]

--that's philosophy covered

....someone, somewhere, got a hummer from Ayn Rand....

--and a great deal of effort was put into making it the best, as explained in The pinnacle of fuck: to fuck oneself while fucking another. Ayn Rand

[Cunt]

You appear to be unable to accept the idea that the game has been rigged against women because men have made all the rules. The fact that there were zero female company directors 40 years ago more or less and now there are a substantial number - and you can do the same thing with any number of 'men only' professions - proves the point.

The game is changing - and for the better in my book.

Having daughters, I agree that it is for the better. That doesn't tell me where they outperform though.

If they are not equal, by the way, I would still press for equality of opportunity.

This is an area where girls excel over boys - behaving in school and academic work. That's quite important. Boys are far more volatile and unpredictable at school and their behavior is troublesome at schools, from the standpoint of education.

I think it's a lot easier to teach girls. I wonder how much that has to do with females over-represented in education?

[Forty Two]

How pathetic . Men are stronger than women. Is that all you got. Cunt you seem to forget men have always oppressed women. They are finally given the room to stand up for themselves.

There is one way of thinking about this that suggests that if women are at bottom in all respects equal to men, then how would things have resulted in men being able to oppress women? Wouldn't it have been just as likely that men would get oppressed by women, all things being equivalent?

"Given room?" Does a person who is just as strong as another person have to wait for the other to give room?

[Sean Hayden]

--that's pilots covered

12 solo victories and 4 shared kills over 66 combat missions! --holy sheet--

Indeed, there are many women who can kick men's asses at many things. But, the real question is, would you rather have 500 male pilots flying your F-16s, or 500 female pilots, not knowing anything other than their sex, and assuming that they are a representative sampling of the capabilities of their sex at air-to-air combat. You have to choose a sex, and the 500 female pilots will go up against the 500 male.

Do you think one would be more likely to beat the other? Or, is it a coin toss?

--almost there, the betting man is at this time still getting better odds going with men. But will he always?

Maybe you can identify some trait of women which works to prevent them from being equal to men in the fields I've posted examples from.

edit -- In regards to fighter pilots specifically I wouldn't care.

[Cunt]

Women seem to excel at qualifying for gender studies program entry...maybe that isn't really competitive though...

Sean Hayden, there are plenty of examples. Your exceptions are exceptions to those examples.

[Sean Hayden]

Plenty of examples of what Cunt, traits that prevent women from being equal to men in the fields I used as examples?

What are they?

[Brian Peacock]

Not at all, Brian Peacock. I'm just looking for clear examples of women outperforming men in some individual competitive effort.

I am fully aware that it is near impossible to find any two people who are 'equal'. I honestly pursue equality of opportunity for everyone (though I think women as a group need a lot less support than, say, persons with disabilities)

What I am trying to find here, are examples of women showing how much better they are at some competitive things.

It's like everyone says yoga is the BEST for fitness and spirituality, but there are so few Indian champions in fitness. As to their spirituality...well...the caste system seems very spiritual to me, but not admirable at all...

What would it show if someone provided an example of women outperforming men, and always outperforming men, in some sphere of endeavour?

There are plenty of examples of women outperforming men, but you seem to think that's irrelevant unless we play the parlour game of naming some endeavour in which all the women outperform all the men all the time. Why?

You have not provided any fields where women regularly outperform men. There have been exceptions offered, but not any competitive area where men regularly fall behind women.

So while one of my running heroes will CERTAINLY outperform me, she will be beaten roundly by lots of guys.

A clear example, men's world record half-marathon is 58:23. How many men do you think cross the finish line behind this (holy fucking FAST) champion before the first female finishes at 64:51 ?

There are endless examples. Mostly, in any competitive area, women need their own competition or they simply don't make it into the top ranks. Look at the olympics...

svartalf, you point out that a women once beat a man nearly twice her age. Not a great example, since tennis is still divided by the sexes (or women would never make it to the top ranks)

Equestrian pursuits are dominated by women at the practical and organisational level. In competition women regularly out perform men in terms of championships and earnings. Apart from horse racing, where male jockeys still out-number women, competition events are mixed, and the majority of ancillary and support roles across the board are dominated by women. In dressage for example we currently have a female World and Olympic champion and a female World record holder.

Now I've played your parlour game, which I'm sure you're about to dismiss, perhaps you'll do me the favour of requoting my previous post but this time answer the questions?

[Cunt]

Strength, speed and fighting ability, to name three.

Feminism is evidence that women NEED help to compete 'fairly'.

A pal does dressage, and you are right about it being a womans world there. It still doesn't tell me WHAT they have that's better though...is it because their balance is better? Thigh strength? Psychic connection with the horse?

There were almost exclusively female riders in the classes I have seen. Maybe it is because they are more dedicated (as kids) and so parents are more likely to keep supporting females over males...

[Brian Peacock]

Simple fact is that women are at least as good as men with horses, and in general usually much better. Now, I've played the parlour game, so what does that show?

[Cunt]

It does show one competitive area where women seem to excel. Now I want to know why.

It's easy to see why men lift more, run faster or such (more muscle mass) but it is less clear what strength this shows.

Any ideas? Or is it just that more women are participating?

By the way, there is a version of dressage where the horse does all that dancing with a big-old cowboy on it. Can't remember the name of it now, (western maybe?) but it is pretty awesome to watch.

[Rum]

The absence of proof - as you will know from atheism 101 does not prove anything.

It proves a ton, in circumstances where evidence would be expected if a phenomenon existed.

You have chosen a raft of example criteria which suggest that men can perform better at some tasks involving those qualities - strength etc.

If you take the same approach to women - i.e. identifying certain known qualities you can do the same. Here's a list of things science says women do better than men because of those qualities. There are actually a number of similar lists out there. https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jens ... or-to-men/

They include:

Women are smarter than men
Women are more sensual than men
Women are better at finding things than men
Women are cleaner than men
Women have better immune systems than men
Women tolerate pain better than men
Women handle stress better than men
Women are better at multitasking than men
Women are better computer programmers than men
Women make better doctors than men
Women make better leaders than men
Women are better drivers than men
Women make better cops than men
Women make better students than men
Women are better with money than men
Women live longer than men

I'll leave you to draw up a list of what the consequences might be - after you have challenged every item I imagine.

Why would you leave that to him? Do you believe there are consequences? And if so, what?

You're usually the stickler. He asked for traits - I gave him a mixture of traits, qualities and strengths. More than did the job.

[Cunt]

Why not give competitive examples? One mythbusters episode about frozen hands doesn't make a really good example. Winning competitions regularly against a mixed field would though.

[Brian Peacock]

Horse riding is a physical skill. The usual stuff applies: training, motivation, and practice. Maybe men just don't respond as well to a female-dominated environment or having women telling them what to do.